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Even if big oil captured the judiciary, why would they care what Berkeley does when Europe generates more than enough demand for American natural gas exports?

Kim_Bruning 4y ago
That's very short term though. The reason for Europe's natural gas demand at the moment is because the EU has this minor dispute with that other large supplier of natural gas: Russia. Lesson learned: Don't depend on resources that can run out or be denied to you. Right now there are literally simply not enough craftsmen around able to rip out/replace/supplement (my corner of) Europe's natural gas heating systems fast enough. The waiting lists are insane. This means that the EU is stuck having to import natural gas as an interim emergency measure. But ask any county in northwest Europe and I bet they'd tell you that Berkeley is doing the sane thing here.
- bagacrap 4y ago
  So Russian gas is going to start flowing again soon? I am not holding my breath on that one. In any case, the global harm that's come from building a multi-decade dependence on Russia for anything as crucial as oil and gas is far worse than the harm coming from some gas stoves, so European powers don't get to comment on sanity in this debate.
  - Kim_Bruning 4y ago
    > So Russian gas is going to start flowing again soon? No. I think you must have misread something. In my previous post, I am strongly implying that Russian gas is not going to start flowing again anytime soon, if ever. > In any case, the global harm that's come from building a multi-decade dependence on Russia for anything as crucial as oil and gas is far worse than the harm coming from some gas stoves The use of large numbers of gas stoves (and gas ovens, and gas central heating) is what leads to this kind of dependency in the first place. > European powers don't get to comment on sanity in this debate. I'm talking about all the counties (villages, towns, cities) large and small, who have been working hard to help their local home-owners and renters get through this winter and beyond.

Kim_Bruning 4y ago

That's very short term though. The reason for Europe's natural gas demand at the moment is because the EU has this minor dispute with that other large supplier of natural gas: Russia. Lesson learned: Don't depend on resources that can run out or be denied to you. Right now there are literally simply not enough craftsmen around able to rip out/replace/supplement (my corner of) Europe's natural gas heating systems fast enough. The waiting lists are insane. This means that the EU is stuck having to import natural gas as an interim emergency measure. But ask any county in northwest Europe and I bet they'd tell you that Berkeley is doing the sane thing here.

bagacrap 4y ago
So Russian gas is going to start flowing again soon? I am not holding my breath on that one. In any case, the global harm that's come from building a multi-decade dependence on Russia for anything as crucial as oil and gas is far worse than the harm coming from some gas stoves, so European powers don't get to comment on sanity in this debate.
- Kim_Bruning 4y ago
  > So Russian gas is going to start flowing again soon? No. I think you must have misread something. In my previous post, I am strongly implying that Russian gas is not going to start flowing again anytime soon, if ever. > In any case, the global harm that's come from building a multi-decade dependence on Russia for anything as crucial as oil and gas is far worse than the harm coming from some gas stoves The use of large numbers of gas stoves (and gas ovens, and gas central heating) is what leads to this kind of dependency in the first place. > European powers don't get to comment on sanity in this debate. I'm talking about all the counties (villages, towns, cities) large and small, who have been working hard to help their local home-owners and renters get through this winter and beyond.