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I think you have a very simple idea of immigration as a financial transaction, but haven't put in a lot of thought towards cultural harmony or that when you "im

I think you have a very simple idea of immigration as a financial transaction, but haven't put in a lot of thought towards cultural harmony or that when you "import" a person their culture comes with them. What is the purpose of an H1-B? How does the H1-B holder benefit, how does the company benefit, and how do the citizens in the US benefit? What is the cost to US citizens, the cost to companies, and the cost to the H1-B holder? What are risks of the H1-B program? How would you compare and contrast the import of serf/slave/unprotected/under-the-table labor, unskilled labor, skilled labor, and capitalist "labor"? > Application acceptance is sorted by total-comp for a minimum 2 year contract, highest wins. How might this be gamed? > No more country based green card quotas or backlogs. Why do you think this policy is in place? Do you think assimilation is important? Are there elements of other cultures you do not like? Do you like the caste system? Do you like Gaunxi? Do you like islam? If war were to break out over Taiwan, do you trust Chinese? How do you feel about foreigners owning property? How do you feel about foreigners being a landlord? How do you feel about going to a restaurant in your own country and not seeing any English? How do you feel about going to a restaurant and the server not speaking any English? How would you feel about immigrants not going through public education? How do you feel about groups of co-workers speaking their own language to each-other and generally not being a part of the greater company/community? I am not asking all these questions out of a sense of xenophobia, nor am I asking them because I think they have an obvious answer. I consider myself a deeply liberal person and I am a little dis-comforted by some of those. I have Chinese friends (well, friends of fiends) on H1-B's that defend China's imprisonment of Hong Kong protestors, the idea that America Caused those protests, the idea that China should control Taiwan, the idea that Uygher genocide is American propaganda, that even if it isn't, it is not justified to question it because America genocided the Native Americans, think America is an evil colonial empire who caused Russia's war of aggression on Ukraine, and buy property to rent out to other people. As liberal as I am, I really would prefer those people not to be in America.

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fsociety 4y ago
As a liberal how do you feel about hardcore conservatives? Are there no “out groups” of Americans within your own country who scare the shit out of you? If there are, what is the difference between them and a Chinese or Russian person? Regardless of your intent, it is a fear of the foreign and the effect they may have on your way of living.
UncleEntity 4y ago
> How do you feel about going to a restaurant in your own country and not seeing any English? How do you feel about going to a restaurant and the server not speaking any English? There was a Ranch Market down the street from where I used to live in Phoenix where they didn’t even pretend they were located in the US — everything, and I mean everything, was in Spanish. Which I didn’t mind too much as they had pretty good prices and I know enough Spanish to not starve to death. The deli was actually really good. There was another Ranch Market that specialized in Chinese food. Never ventured into that one because I knew if they had Lucky Cats I’d have a Lucky Cat. Talked to one random guy who’s wife (think he said she was Vietnamese) would go there to buy live fish and other Asian delectables.
trafficante 4y ago
There’s certainly some room for improvement along the “cultural assimilation” lines you mentioned - but in historical context, I’m not too worried as the second generation seems thoroughly “Americanized”, for better or for worse. Canada is the country that needs to be looking at pumping the brakes soon; they’re talking some wild immigration numbers given the size of their native-born population. I think it’ll be fascinating to see how Canada comes out the other side of the “homogenous to multi-cultural” rapid immigration pipeline that the United States has been (badly) traversing since 1965. But I’m mostly concerned about the apparent “reverse assimilation” happening throughout IT. I’ve personally witnessed multiple departments clearly adopt de facto racially discriminatory hiring practices that apparently can go beyond race into caste dynamics - I lack the cultural knowledge to determine the truth of the “won’t hire below a certain caste” thing, but have had multiple India-born acquaintances bring it up in unrelated casual conversation. Edit: fwiw, I happen to agree with several of your Chinese dude’s example opinions - but I get what you’re saying as far as the whole “why are you even here if you feel that way?”

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fsociety 4y ago

As a liberal how do you feel about hardcore conservatives? Are there no “out groups” of Americans within your own country who scare the shit out of you? If there are, what is the difference between them and a Chinese or Russian person? Regardless of your intent, it is a fear of the foreign and the effect they may have on your way of living.

UncleEntity 4y ago

> How do you feel about going to a restaurant in your own country and not seeing any English? How do you feel about going to a restaurant and the server not speaking any English? There was a Ranch Market down the street from where I used to live in Phoenix where they didn’t even pretend they were located in the US — everything, and I mean everything, was in Spanish. Which I didn’t mind too much as they had pretty good prices and I know enough Spanish to not starve to death. The deli was actually really good. There was another Ranch Market that specialized in Chinese food. Never ventured into that one because I knew if they had Lucky Cats I’d have a Lucky Cat. Talked to one random guy who’s wife (think he said she was Vietnamese) would go there to buy live fish and other Asian delectables.

trafficante 4y ago

There’s certainly some room for improvement along the “cultural assimilation” lines you mentioned - but in historical context, I’m not too worried as the second generation seems thoroughly “Americanized”, for better or for worse. Canada is the country that needs to be looking at pumping the brakes soon; they’re talking some wild immigration numbers given the size of their native-born population. I think it’ll be fascinating to see how Canada comes out the other side of the “homogenous to multi-cultural” rapid immigration pipeline that the United States has been (badly) traversing since 1965. But I’m mostly concerned about the apparent “reverse assimilation” happening throughout IT. I’ve personally witnessed multiple departments clearly adopt de facto racially discriminatory hiring practices that apparently can go beyond race into caste dynamics - I lack the cultural knowledge to determine the truth of the “won’t hire below a certain caste” thing, but have had multiple India-born acquaintances bring it up in unrelated casual conversation. Edit: fwiw, I happen to agree with several of your Chinese dude’s example opinions - but I get what you’re saying as far as the whole “why are you even here if you feel that way?”