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In what way is the cybertruck moving forward? You still can't buy one and if you put money down on one, you're still not getting your cybertruck. Reminds me o

In what way is the cybertruck moving forward? You still can't buy one and if you put money down on one, you're still not getting your cybertruck. Reminds me of my Starlink experience: pay $100 to get on the waiting list, wait a while, pay an additional $500 to get the downlink terminal, wait, wait some more, try to figure out who I know who still works at SpaceX because there's no support contact info for people who have paid for a terminal but haven't gotten anything, send emails to about 10 people inside SpaceX until someone responds with an offer to refund $450, then take the offer, then wait for the refund, and wait for the refund and finally get the refund 3 months later. So I'm only out $150 from trying to subscribe to Starlink.

bottlepalm 3y ago
Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. Starlink has global availability right now though a laser backed network. The only place you can’t get it are overloaded cells and countries that have not given landing rights. I’m sorry for your anecdotal issue, but the system has over a million users so I think it’s fine. Starships first use will be to put up the 2nd gen network. It’s funny how people cry about high speed low latency internet in remote places that wasn’t even possible a few years ago.
- dingosity 3y ago
  You've always been able to get Hughes service, but it was expensive and high latency. What I cry about is some huckster who claims to have intarwebs service but really doesn't.
- rimunroe 3y ago
  > Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a crowdfunding platform years ago. They constantly show great progress being made ("we finally have a factory lined up", "here's the final version of the legs", "we've begun mass production"). It feels like every one of these emails has a message about how they're going to start shipping chairs out to backers in the next couple months. This has been the case for several years now. I'm pretty skeptical I'll ever get the chair, as is basically everyone else who ordered it. I imagine the Cybertruck will eventually be released, but it sounds like it's now almost two years behind the originally announced release date. I think it matches the spirit of vaporware currently, just as Duke Nukem Forever did for over a decade. I think it's understandable that people would describe a delayed release from Tesla/Musk as vaporware given how their promises of "full self driving" have been going.
  - bottlepalm 3y ago
    That's a great example because 90% of my driving is done by FSD beta. Clearly not vaporware. Tesla has released four car models and a semi truck, all delayed, all not vaporware. Yet you choose to relate CyberTruck to some crowdfunding project.
    - dingosity 3y ago
      The CyberTruck is Vapor. It was announced, blew through it's original release date. Blew through it's updated release date. They claim they're going to do a prototype run of something like 1000 this summer. I'll believe it when I see it.
    - rimunroe 3y ago
      I don’t know why it’s absurd to compare the Cybertruck (promised, delayed, not released yet) to that kickstarter (promised, delayed, not released yet). They’ve even been announced for similar lengths of time. As for “full self driving”, those cars are still not fully autonomous. That’s the whole problem that people object to. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but it’s certainly not fully self driving yet. They still routinely fuck up. Also, as I pointed out earlier, being released eventually does not mean it wasn’t right to consider something vaporware at some point (hence the example of Duke Nukem Forever).

bottlepalm 3y ago

Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. Starlink has global availability right now though a laser backed network. The only place you can’t get it are overloaded cells and countries that have not given landing rights. I’m sorry for your anecdotal issue, but the system has over a million users so I think it’s fine. Starships first use will be to put up the 2nd gen network. It’s funny how people cry about high speed low latency internet in remote places that wasn’t even possible a few years ago.

dingosity 3y ago
You've always been able to get Hughes service, but it was expensive and high latency. What I cry about is some huckster who claims to have intarwebs service but really doesn't.
rimunroe 3y ago
> Building factories and qualification testing is literal progress. I get ~monthly emails about the progress being made manufacturing a chair I backed on a crowdfunding platform years ago. They constantly show great progress being made ("we finally have a factory lined up", "here's the final version of the legs", "we've begun mass production"). It feels like every one of these emails has a message about how they're going to start shipping chairs out to backers in the next couple months. This has been the case for several years now. I'm pretty skeptical I'll ever get the chair, as is basically everyone else who ordered it. I imagine the Cybertruck will eventually be released, but it sounds like it's now almost two years behind the originally announced release date. I think it matches the spirit of vaporware currently, just as Duke Nukem Forever did for over a decade. I think it's understandable that people would describe a delayed release from Tesla/Musk as vaporware given how their promises of "full self driving" have been going.
- bottlepalm 3y ago
  That's a great example because 90% of my driving is done by FSD beta. Clearly not vaporware. Tesla has released four car models and a semi truck, all delayed, all not vaporware. Yet you choose to relate CyberTruck to some crowdfunding project.
  - dingosity 3y ago
    The CyberTruck is Vapor. It was announced, blew through it's original release date. Blew through it's updated release date. They claim they're going to do a prototype run of something like 1000 this summer. I'll believe it when I see it.
  - rimunroe 3y ago
    I don’t know why it’s absurd to compare the Cybertruck (promised, delayed, not released yet) to that kickstarter (promised, delayed, not released yet). They’ve even been announced for similar lengths of time. As for “full self driving”, those cars are still not fully autonomous. That’s the whole problem that people object to. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but it’s certainly not fully self driving yet. They still routinely fuck up. Also, as I pointed out earlier, being released eventually does not mean it wasn’t right to consider something vaporware at some point (hence the example of Duke Nukem Forever).