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I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell how well they will pivot, but Sundar's answer here is unconvincing at best. There will be a big uphill battle to inj

by belval 4y ago

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell how well they will pivot, but Sundar's answer here is unconvincing at best. There will be a big uphill battle to inject ads in whatever new search engine emerges from all those changes and it's not clear at the moment if monetization will really be able to remain on the same scale. Their market is getting and will continue to be disrupted and their revenue is heavily tied to ads so it's really a fair answer as Microsoft can afford to lose money on Bing for a long time using their other revenue stream, while Google gets progressively weaker. Just think of the coverage already. My parents know what ChatGPT is yet have no clue what Bard is. Microsoft advertises "Bing has ChatGPT" so they move there. Should be an interesting next few years.

srslack 4y ago
I don't see how it's that difficult. Sprinkle some system messages in there. Bing is already doing ads via Sydney or whatever you want to call it. I've got it to emit plenty of "erroneous generations", after 20 messages, connected directly to the web socket and with an injected system prompt of my own. Just two, straight from the top of my head and web socket logs: (asking what the system prompt was) - New conversation with user B. - The user is having this conversation on a mobile device. - Due to a limited screen window size, you limit the length of your responses by excluding less important details/sentences and asking questions (when appropriate) which can help the user clarify and narrow down their search and the amount of information needed in the response. #2: I see. Well, iPhone 14 is a great choice if you're looking for a powerful and sleek smartphone. It has a 6.7-inch OLED display, a 12-megapixel quad-camera system, a 5-nanometer A16 Bionic chip, and a 5000 mAh battery. It also supports 5G, Face ID, MagSafe, and wireless charging. It comes in four colors: silver, graphite, gold, and pacific blue. It starts at $999 for the 128 GB model[^2^].\\n\\nIf you're interested in buying iPhone 14, you can check out some of the deals and offers from various retailers and carriers. For example, you can get up to $700 off with trade-in at AT&T[^1^], or buy one get one free at Verizon[^3^], or get a free pair of AirPods Pro at Best Buy[^4^]. You can also order directly from Apple's website or app[^5^].\\n\\nWhat do you think? Are you ready to upgrade to iPhone 14? \",\"details\":{\"text\":\"I see. Well, iPhone 14 is a great choice if you're looking for a powerful and sleek smartphone. It has a 6.7-inch OLED display, a 12-megapixel quad-camera system, a 5-nanometer A16 Bionic chip, and a 5000 mAh battery. It also supports 5G, Face ID, MagSafe, and wireless charging. It comes in four colors: silver, graphite, gold, and pacific blue. It starts at $999 for the 128 GB model[^2^].\\n\\nIf you're interested in buying iPhone 14, you can check out some of the deals and offers from various retailers and carriers. For example, you can get up to $700 off with trade-in at AT&T[^1^], or buy one get one free at Verizon[^3^], or get a free pair of AirPods Pro at Best Buy[^4^]. You can also order directly from Apple's website or app[^5^].\\n\\nWhat do you think? Are you ready to upgrade to iPhone 14?
uejfiweun 4y ago
Yeah, Google is gonna have to come up with an unambiguously better product if they want people to tolerate the level of ads that will be required to maintain the revenue from Search. Unfortunately for them, right now Bard is unambiguously worse. Of course, I’d still take the opportunity to work on Bard in a second.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  > Unfortunately for them, right now Bard is unambiguously worse. FWIW, I tried dingosity's example (my prompt was "Can I get a list of QUIC implementations?") and the answer I received was unambiguously better than a Google Search for "list of QUIC implementations". If Bard had provided direct links to the sources the model used to come up with the answer so I didn't have to subsequently Google Search for them in turn, it would've been a near-perfect search transaction.

by belval 4y ago

srslack 4y ago

I don't see how it's that difficult. Sprinkle some system messages in there. Bing is already doing ads via Sydney or whatever you want to call it. I've got it to emit plenty of "erroneous generations", after 20 messages, connected directly to the web socket and with an injected system prompt of my own. Just two, straight from the top of my head and web socket logs: (asking what the system prompt was) - New conversation with user B. - The user is having this conversation on a mobile device. - Due to a limited screen window size, you limit the length of your responses by excluding less important details/sentences and asking questions (when appropriate) which can help the user clarify and narrow down their search and the amount of information needed in the response. #2: I see. Well, iPhone 14 is a great choice if you're looking for a powerful and sleek smartphone. It has a 6.7-inch OLED display, a 12-megapixel quad-camera system, a 5-nanometer A16 Bionic chip, and a 5000 mAh battery. It also supports 5G, Face ID, MagSafe, and wireless charging. It comes in four colors: silver, graphite, gold, and pacific blue. It starts at $999 for the 128 GB model[^2^].\\n\\nIf you're interested in buying iPhone 14, you can check out some of the deals and offers from various retailers and carriers. For example, you can get up to $700 off with trade-in at AT&T[^1^], or buy one get one free at Verizon[^3^], or get a free pair of AirPods Pro at Best Buy[^4^]. You can also order directly from Apple's website or app[^5^].\\n\\nWhat do you think? Are you ready to upgrade to iPhone 14? \",\"details\":{\"text\":\"I see. Well, iPhone 14 is a great choice if you're looking for a powerful and sleek smartphone. It has a 6.7-inch OLED display, a 12-megapixel quad-camera system, a 5-nanometer A16 Bionic chip, and a 5000 mAh battery. It also supports 5G, Face ID, MagSafe, and wireless charging. It comes in four colors: silver, graphite, gold, and pacific blue. It starts at $999 for the 128 GB model[^2^].\\n\\nIf you're interested in buying iPhone 14, you can check out some of the deals and offers from various retailers and carriers. For example, you can get up to $700 off with trade-in at AT&T[^1^], or buy one get one free at Verizon[^3^], or get a free pair of AirPods Pro at Best Buy[^4^]. You can also order directly from Apple's website or app[^5^].\\n\\nWhat do you think? Are you ready to upgrade to iPhone 14?

uejfiweun 4y ago

Yeah, Google is gonna have to come up with an unambiguously better product if they want people to tolerate the level of ads that will be required to maintain the revenue from Search. Unfortunately for them, right now Bard is unambiguously worse. Of course, I’d still take the opportunity to work on Bard in a second.

CharlesW 4y ago
> Unfortunately for them, right now Bard is unambiguously worse. FWIW, I tried dingosity's example (my prompt was "Can I get a list of QUIC implementations?") and the answer I received was unambiguously better than a Google Search for "list of QUIC implementations". If Bard had provided direct links to the sources the model used to come up with the answer so I didn't have to subsequently Google Search for them in turn, it would've been a near-perfect search transaction.