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Banning hate speech is not censorship.

lockhouse 3y ago
Censorship: the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorship https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorsh...
- jutrewag 3y ago
  Then banning bomb making is censorship but there’s no opposition to that.
  - drdeca 3y ago
    Banning instructions on how to make bombs would be censorship. Banning the making of bombs is not censorship.
    - jutrewag 3y ago
      The former is banned.
      - philipkglass 3y ago
        This is where it's more helpful to talk about specific nations' laws. Books about making bombs are not banned in the USA, for example. Here are the books "Improvised Munitions Black Book" and "U.S. Army Unconventional Warfare Devices: Boobytraps" from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Improvised-Munitions-Black-Book-Unabridged/dp/5401352530 https://www.amazon.com/Improvised-Munitions-Black-Book-Unabr... Originally created for soldiers in guerrilla warfare situations, this handbook demonstrates the techniques for constructing weapons that are highly effective in the most harrowing of circumstances. Straightforward and incredibly user-friendly, it provides insightful information and step-by-step instructions on how to assemble weapons and explosives from common and readily available materials. Over 600 illustrations complement elaborate explanations of how to improvise any number of munitions from easily accessible resources. https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Unconventional-Warfare-Devices-Boobytraps/dp/B09M5L99LP https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Unconventional-Warfare-Devices-Bo... Some of the materials discussed in this special forces guide to boobytraps include: - Disguise boobytraps in common items. - Disguise boobytraps in structures such as window frames and stairways. - Disguise boobytraps in outdoor areas, in bushes and underground. - Learn the mechanics of the various types of firing devices, detonators, fuses, cords, adapters, blasting caps, and lighters. Actually following instructions in these books may lead to felony charges in all 50 states. But writing or reading about them is perfectly legal. The same goes for reading and writing about making scheduled drugs, poisons, and other controlled items.
      - MacsHeadroom 3y ago
        It absolutely is not. You can find books on bomb making in every library and book store in America. To steel man you, exporting said books to certain countries is technically illegal under the same law that makes this wikipedia page technically illegal to serve to Iranian IP addresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
- wolverine876 3y ago
  I'm not sure that definition is relevant; it's too extreme to apply to the situation. By that definition the US censors speech such as incitement to violence, fraud, slander, and intellectual property. No place has ever been uncensored. Like everything in life, there's a matter of degree to it and a question of what is censored.
  - MacsHeadroom 3y ago
    The US government does not remove instances of incitement to violence, fraud, or slander, and most intellectual property law is probably unconstitutional but that's a different issue.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      It does. Courts can require information to be removed, the executive branch can sieze servers, etc. > most intellectual property law is probably unconstitutional Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.
Delk 3y ago
"Throughout history". I doubt all the Soviet Union and other authoritarian communist regimes censored for decades was hate speech. Sure, at the moment the left seems to largely align with social liberalism, at least in the west. Maybe authoritarianism is generally more correlated with conservatism, and conservatism with right-wing politics. But left vs. right and authoritarian vs. liberal aren't really the same axis, and it would seem historically quite myopic to think left-wing views somehow confer immunity to abuse of power.

Censorship: the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorship https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorsh...

jutrewag 3y ago
Then banning bomb making is censorship but there’s no opposition to that.
- drdeca 3y ago
  Banning instructions on how to make bombs would be censorship. Banning the making of bombs is not censorship.
  - jutrewag 3y ago
    The former is banned.
    - philipkglass 3y ago
      This is where it's more helpful to talk about specific nations' laws. Books about making bombs are not banned in the USA, for example. Here are the books "Improvised Munitions Black Book" and "U.S. Army Unconventional Warfare Devices: Boobytraps" from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Improvised-Munitions-Black-Book-Unabridged/dp/5401352530 https://www.amazon.com/Improvised-Munitions-Black-Book-Unabr... Originally created for soldiers in guerrilla warfare situations, this handbook demonstrates the techniques for constructing weapons that are highly effective in the most harrowing of circumstances. Straightforward and incredibly user-friendly, it provides insightful information and step-by-step instructions on how to assemble weapons and explosives from common and readily available materials. Over 600 illustrations complement elaborate explanations of how to improvise any number of munitions from easily accessible resources. https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Unconventional-Warfare-Devices-Boobytraps/dp/B09M5L99LP https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Unconventional-Warfare-Devices-Bo... Some of the materials discussed in this special forces guide to boobytraps include: - Disguise boobytraps in common items. - Disguise boobytraps in structures such as window frames and stairways. - Disguise boobytraps in outdoor areas, in bushes and underground. - Learn the mechanics of the various types of firing devices, detonators, fuses, cords, adapters, blasting caps, and lighters. Actually following instructions in these books may lead to felony charges in all 50 states. But writing or reading about them is perfectly legal. The same goes for reading and writing about making scheduled drugs, poisons, and other controlled items.
    - MacsHeadroom 3y ago
      It absolutely is not. You can find books on bomb making in every library and book store in America. To steel man you, exporting said books to certain countries is technically illegal under the same law that makes this wikipedia page technically illegal to serve to Iranian IP addresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
wolverine876 3y ago
I'm not sure that definition is relevant; it's too extreme to apply to the situation. By that definition the US censors speech such as incitement to violence, fraud, slander, and intellectual property. No place has ever been uncensored. Like everything in life, there's a matter of degree to it and a question of what is censored.
- MacsHeadroom 3y ago
  The US government does not remove instances of incitement to violence, fraud, or slander, and most intellectual property law is probably unconstitutional but that's a different issue.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    It does. Courts can require information to be removed, the executive branch can sieze servers, etc. > most intellectual property law is probably unconstitutional Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence.

Delk 3y ago

"Throughout history". I doubt all the Soviet Union and other authoritarian communist regimes censored for decades was hate speech. Sure, at the moment the left seems to largely align with social liberalism, at least in the west. Maybe authoritarianism is generally more correlated with conservatism, and conservatism with right-wing politics. But left vs. right and authoritarian vs. liberal aren't really the same axis, and it would seem historically quite myopic to think left-wing views somehow confer immunity to abuse of power.