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Interesting, because Indian Government recently jailed an independent fact checker for a tweet he made 4 years ago. This new body seems to be a tool to suppres

• mrcheesebreeze 3y ago
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  • throwaway_9120 3y ago
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    • honkler 3y ago
      lol what? There have been plenty of Hindutva terror incidents, one as recent as the day before yesterday, when 3 men killed a couple of undertrials in front of live camera and then went on to scream the terror warcry of "Jai Sree Ram". > If this is “fascism” as you say, majority of the Indians are happy living under it. Do you have a sense of irony? Majority is always happy under fascism. It is the minority who matters in that case.
      • throwaway_9120 3y ago
        The 2 brothers who were killed were notorious gangsters involved in 100+ cases of murders, loot, kidnapping etc. At least read-up before trying to win with your ignorance. India has Buddhists, Parsis, Jains, Zoroastrian as “true” minorities. They don’t have any problems in India. In fact they are among the most prosperous folks. Why is that only Muslims have problem everywhere on the globe? France, US, UK, Israel and the list goes on.
        • honkler 3y ago
          Great that you poured your heart out for others to read. Made my job much easier.
          • throwaway_9120 3y ago
            The last part is a common knowledge. Don’t worry.
            • random314 3y ago
              It's okay to kill Muslims - this much is known and established. Actually, we could also add Sikhs and Dalits too if the situation demands it.
              • throwaway_9120 3y ago
                Few months back, in a similar fashion a Hindu Don was encountered by the UP cops. All Hindus still supported the cops. For people like you, if the person is a Muslim irrespective of whether he is a terrorist, serial murderer he should be supported at any cost. And don’t club Sikhs and Dalit among yourself to look good. They have a far larger contribution to society and don’t cry victimhood at any given opportunity.
                • random314 3y ago
                  Please be flexible, please think of Khalistani Sikhs and reservation grabbing Dalits demanding protection from racism in California.
                  • web108 3y ago
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      • sanmon3186 3y ago
        This is failure of law and order. What bothered me is how liberal media portrayed these individuals. The primary identity of individuals killed is undertrials (as you rightly mentioned) or murderers or criminals, and not lawmakers or MPs as portrayed by these headlines. 1) https://www.reuters.com/world/india/former-indian-lawmaker-slain-live-tv-while-police-custody-state-restricts-2023-04-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/india/former-indian-lawmaker-s... 2) https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/apr/16/former-indian-mp-shot-dead-alongside-brother-on-live-tv-while-in-police-custody-video https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/apr/16/former-i... 3) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65290042.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65290042.amp
      • throwaway_9120 3y ago
        For those crying oceans, read this Twitter thread. These two “undertrials” were monsters of the worst kind who killed anyone with impunity. Shame on people who support such monsters just because they happen to share the same religion. https://twitter.com/Sanity_3/status/1647304754002010113?s=20 https://twitter.com/Sanity_3/status/1647304754002010113?s=20
      • dang 3y ago
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    • rektide 3y ago
      This is a pretty sorry minimum standard to elect people by.
  • cubefox 3y ago
    > They constantly lie to the indian people to promote a possible genocide against the muslim minority. What evidence do you have for that?
    • honkler 3y ago
      That India is on the highest level alert as per GenocideWatch, and plenty other institutions.
    • nsenifty 3y ago
      Ironically fearmongering that there's an imminent genocide is one of the justifications used by the the Government for internet shutdowns and censorship. Law and order is precarious in most parts of the country and anybody can spark an unrest by sparking rumors and it spreads like forest fire causing riots and loss of life.
    • sanmon3186 3y ago
      Last I checked India was home for second largest Muslim population, and population has only been growing, more than other sections of societies in India. Sure things aren’t same for Muslims post 2014 and people should raise their voice. However for every Muslim atrocity, there is one against Hindus or any other religion. Should we take comfort in that? Absolutely no, but this genocide nonsense is utter rubbish.
    • fellellor 3y ago
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  • nsenifty 3y ago
    > the current ruling party is straight up unironically fascist and descends from the same political party that inspired the german nationalist socialist party. This is false. There is no link between the German Nazi party and BJP. If you are talking about RSS, the link comes from a quote in a book published in 1939 (well before the world found about the holocaust) by the RSS founder [0]. Admiration for Hitler and his Nazi party in the 30s wasn't unique to the RSS founder [1][2]. Golwalkar was also supportive of allies in their war against Nazis and supported the formation of Israel. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._S._Golwalkar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._S._Golwalkar [1] https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/britain-adolf-hitler-dictator-admiration-appeasement-relationship-britain-germany/ https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/britain-ado... [2] https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/
    • mrcheesebreeze 3y ago
      The bjp is descendant from the rss and is basically its replacement after it was banned, thats why I said what I said.
    • mrcheesebreeze 3y ago
      Also Golwalkar is 100% pro-nazi, he only went against them later for gains. "German Race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races -- the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." (Golwalkar, MS, “We Or Our Nationhood Defined”, Nagpur, 1939, p. 45)
      • nsenifty 3y ago
        The whole point was that most of the world was pro-nazi until the events of WW2 and the holocaust. And if you are comparing someone's views in the 30s to the current worldview, I hate to break it to you that everyone's racist and fascist, including Roosevelt, Churchill and MK Gandhi. Gandhi pretty much called for the Jews to offer themselves up to be butchered by Nazis and Arabs.
  • jaldhar 3y ago
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      • jaldhar 3y ago
        Argumentam ad Hitlerum isn't awesome either. Let me restate my point. A persons reasons for supporting the Nazis in 1933 may be quite different from the reasons you think people are pro-Nazi in 2023. So such comparisons don't add very much to the discourse. That's not whataboutism right?
    • dragonwriter 3y ago
      > In hindsight Nazism is an almost cartoon like singular epitome Not that singular, even in its time, which is why we usually call the more general thing that it is an example of by the name of its Italian contemporary and ally.
    • dang 3y ago
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• throwaway_9120 3y ago
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  • shasts 3y ago
    You got sources for this claim? If he has done anything wrong, why is he not in jail for that?
    • mentli 3y ago
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    • AverageDude 3y ago
      It’s the usual protocol of astroturfing. Accuse the whistleblower of something vague and discard them with name calling. Straight out of playbook of authoritarian governments. Nothing new. I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.
      • throwaway_9120 3y ago
        The fact that you have to search for the name shows you are not enough clued in about what is happening in India. Wish you take some time out and get the facts straight from some Indian friends to understand both side of the story. It will become a long comment, all I can say , BBC, NyTimes etc has some axe to grind with the current dispensation.
        • random314 3y ago
          Being Indian, I am clued in well enough. I understand by "Indian friends" you mean upper caste Hindu Indian friends who are Modi acolytes and his primary voting demographic. Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population.
• CommanderData 3y ago
  India has one of the most robust Internet trolling, astroturfing apparatus in the world. You will not be treated well if you criticise the government.
  • Freedom2 3y ago
    That doesn't match my experience. My ex-colleagues and I used to criticize the government regularly, and publicly, when I lived there, and we faced no hostility or opposition.
    • theWreckluse 3y ago
      Been my experience too. It's annoying/sad, but not hostile.
• screye 3y ago
  Altnews the left wing version of Tucker Carlson. I'd go as far as to say that if Alt-news told me there was no Earthquake in my house, my first instinct would be to find cover. Local and politicized news in India is notoriously biased. But the direction of the bias varies from news org to news org. Somehow, American & British news orgs are notorious for giving megaphones to the worst faith actors within Indian politics. I've found that ThePrint is the closest thing to centrist-neutral reporting in India. They are pretty open about leaning left*[1] on social issues and leaning right [2] on economic issues. [1] The left-right division doesn't work as cleanly in India, but left for the Print means separation of church & state, live-n-let-live, individual freedoms, LGBT support, a kind of French secularism. [2] which in an Indian context means left of Biden, but right of pre-1991 socialist India. ie. Welfare-ist, but not isolationist.
  • rektide 3y ago
    Ok, perhaps. What about the original contention: > because Indian Government recently jailed an independent fact checker for a tweet he made 4 years ago. Are you contending the fact that a 4 year old tweet was used to suppress an Altnews? This ad-hominem attack may have basis, but the assertion that there is very filthy gross things being used to suppress doesn't seem to have been addressed. And it seems like gross government indecency from where I stand. You're talking about ethics in journalism, but this seemingly is a case of government jailing & taking away someone's right, which seems like an act that requires a much much higher standard of conduct than antagonistic-left journalism.
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  • commoner 3y ago
    Alt News is much more similar to Rappler, a Filipino news website and fact checker whose founder (Maria Ressa) was awarded the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize after she was arrested and convicted by the Filipino ruling government for "cyberlibel" in retaliation for her journalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa The Peace Research Institute Oslo nominated the Alt News founders (Mohammed Zubair and Pratik Sinha) for the 2022 Nobel Peace Prize after Zubair was jailed for "hurting religious sentiments" in retaliation for his journalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zubair_(journalist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zubair_(journalist) https://www.prio.org/nobelshortlist https://www.prio.org/nobelshortlist
• amriksohata 3y ago
  https://scroll.in/latest/972341/two-firs-filed-against-altnews-co-founder-mohammed-zubair-for-allegedly-doxing-minor-girl https://scroll.in/latest/972341/two-firs-filed-against-altne...