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It's still pretty expensive for archival storage without instant access requirements. Can somebody please do a tape based cloud storage service with slow file
by masterleep 15y ago
It's still pretty expensive for archival storage without instant access requirements. Can somebody please do a tape based cloud storage service with slow file access but much cheaper per TB storage costs?
- Tossrock 15y agoDo tape drives really still offer better bytes/dollar than HDDs? I'll admit to being unfamiliar with them.
- whatusername 15y agoFor certain scales and usage patterns. a 1.5TB* Tape is about $50. However it: (1) should last longer than a HDD and (2) Uses much less power, cooling, floor space, etc. * Tape also has really nice compression (essentially you would be using the on-tape compression at least 95% of the time) with an average of about 2:1 (and often much higher). But you can also compress files on disk -- so it's just native storage. Also -- Things like the SL8500 are such beautiful pieces of machinery. Computers + Robots = Awesome! Editing to Add: LTO5 was released in 2010. LTO6 is likely to arrive this year with 3.2TB Native Capacity. (And the usual speed bumps of 50% Write // 100% Read speed). The roadmap for the tech is here: http://www.spectralogic.com/common/images/products/lto/lto5/LTORoadmapLarge.png http://www.spectralogic.com/common/images/products/lto/lto5/...
- justincormack 15y agoIt is hard to find pricing for the equipment, which makes me think it is expensive.but it could still potentially be cost effective. However it seems unlikely to come in at 10% of Amazon, ie at $150 per TB per year. You might be better off building your own robot for this application too, with more storage space. Spun down hard drives would be a similar price. Not necessarily easier to work with.
- mseebach 15y agoI think spun down HDs would be a lot easier. They have standard interfaces which makes them cheap and flexible. Get a bunch of USB 3 docks[1] and some $10/hour clerks to shuffle the drives around. 1: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/20/sharkoons-usb-3-0-sata-hdd-dock-doubles-up-now-handles-two-dri/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/20/sharkoons-usb-3-0-sata-hd...
- justincormack 15y agoForget the clerks and USB. Get the very cheapest USB to ethernet chipset you can, on 100 mb ethernet, and only power it up when you need drive access. You should be able to do that at $10-20 a disk. No moving parts to maintain.
- mnutt 15y agoI wonder how much higher rate of failure you'd get with spun-down disks, since starting and stopping is often when they fail.
- acdha 15y agoThe big question is scale: tape robot systems are expensive to purchase and somewhat less reliable compared to an HDD so you have significant infrastructure costs bringing up the storage system, establishing a system of off-site rotation and redundancy, testing restores on separate drives (one common failure mode is that a tape drive slowly goes out of alignment, writing data which cannot be read by a calibrated drive), etc. These are great examples of something which could be commodified so a provider could amortize them across many customers but the margins are continually tightening.
- toomuchtodo 15y agohttp://nimbus.io http://nimbus.io (yeah, not live yet, but at only 6 cents/GB, its worth keeping an eye on)
- masterleep 15y agoHalf price is of course better, but for my use case, I want something ten times cheaper. I'm willing to trade convenience and latency for that cost saving. Use case: I want to be able to shoot several minutes of video on my cell phone and keep it backed up in the cloud without feeling like I've incurred a $1/year charge for the rest of my life.
- joering2 15y agoim not sure with todays technology you could go cheaper than 4c/GB for a service like that. Doing it on your own would be $50 for 3TB cartridge == 2c/GB.
- masterleep 15y agoDo you mean 4c/GB/month? The $50 cartridge fee would be non-recurring except for storage.
- joering2 15y agoyes you are right! (sorry)
- toomuchtodo 15y agoLess recurring, but still recurring. Those tapes wear out eventually.
- 1qaz2wsx3edc 15y agoUsenet Binaries ಠ_ಠ
- jtchang 15y agoI wonder how slow you'd be willing to go. Would you be willing to pay $1 for 100GB if it meant waiting 15 minutes to load your tape? How about 30 minutes?
- ars 15y ago$1 per 100GB per what? If it was per year I might do it, certainly not per month.
- joering2 15y agodoing some initial calculation, it may be a ground for startup if you would be willing to pay $2.50/year for 100GB with first 10GB/year free download.
- toomuchtodo 15y agoYes. If I could pay $10/TB/month, request a list of files via API, and be notified via webhook when I could retrieve them (and therefore, retrieve them while they're cached on spinning media for 24 hours), I'd definitely do it. I've got tons of video, pictures, and music to back up, and I don't need immediate access to backups.
- joering2 15y agoI was looking into your problem. Just out of curiosity: even if you produce 100GB per day, what stops you from purchasing a 3TB (compressed) tape[1] for $54 and do backups on your own and store cassette offsite in your secure deposit box (some banks give those for free, or $30/year) 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16840999258 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16840999... just trying to figure if there is any business behind your problem.
- masterleep 15y agoIf a personal backup solution requires manual steps, it will eventually stop happening.
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- Yrlec 15y agoMy start-up (http://degoo.com http://degoo.com) is working on a P2P backup system that I think will match your requirements quite well. We are launching our beta tests within next couple of months. </shamelessplug>
- reidrac 15y agoThere are other providers that are definitely cheaper. Specially thanks to OpenStack Object Storage you can find different services with the same API, so you have an open door to leave any time. ie. my employer offers a OS based service (slightly lower rates, upload is free, based in UK): http://www.memset.com/cloud/storage/ http://www.memset.com/cloud/storage/
- Terretta 15y agoHow much content and how much cheaper? And what about access via rsync instead of "tape based"?