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How are they at human performance? Almost everything GPT has read on the internet didn‘t even exist 200 years ago and was invented by humans. Heck, even most of

by quonn 4y ago

How are they at human performance? Almost everything GPT has read on the internet didn‘t even exist 200 years ago and was invented by humans. Heck, even most of the programming it does wasn‘t there 20 years ago. Not every programmer starting from scratch would be brilliant, but many were self taught with very limited resources in the 80s form example and discovered new things from there. GPT cannot do this and is very far from being able to.

famouswaffles 4y ago
>How are they at human performance? Because it performs at least average human level (mostly well above average) on basically every task it's given. "Invest something new" is a nonsensical benchmark for human level intelligence. The vast majority of people have never and will never invent anything new. If your general intelligence test can't be passed by a good chunk of humanity then it's not a general intelligence test unless you want to say most people aren't generally intelligent.
- quonn 4y ago
  Yeah these intelligence tests are not very good. I would argue some programmers do in fact invent something new. Not all of them, but some. Perhaps 10%. Second the point is not whether everyone is by profession an inventor but whether most people can be inventors. And to a degree they can be. I think you underestimate that by a large margin. You can lock people in a room and give them a problem to solve and they will invent a lot if they have the time to do it. GPT will invent nothing right now. It‘s not there yet.
  - famouswaffles 4y ago
    >Yeah these intelligence tests are not very good. Lol Okay >And to a degree they can be. I think you underestimate that by a large margin. Do i? Because i'm not the one making unverifiable claims here. >You can lock people in a room and give them a problem to solve and they will invent a lot if they have the time to do it. If you say so
  - hnfong 4y ago
    > Not all of them, but some. Perhaps 10%. Just listen to what you're saying: - GPT isn't at human level because GPT isn't able to invent something new - Not all programmers invent something new, but some. Perhaps 10% I'm pretty sure this implies literally that 90% programmers aren't human level. The lengths to which people are willing to go to dismiss GPT's abilities is mind boggling to me.
- dataangel 4y ago
  > Because it performs at least average human level (mostly well above average) on basically every task it's given. No, GPT4 fails at some very basic tasks. It can't count letters passed 15.
  - famouswaffles 4y ago
    It doesn't see words.

by quonn 4y ago

famouswaffles 4y ago

>How are they at human performance? Because it performs at least average human level (mostly well above average) on basically every task it's given. "Invest something new" is a nonsensical benchmark for human level intelligence. The vast majority of people have never and will never invent anything new. If your general intelligence test can't be passed by a good chunk of humanity then it's not a general intelligence test unless you want to say most people aren't generally intelligent.

quonn 4y ago
Yeah these intelligence tests are not very good. I would argue some programmers do in fact invent something new. Not all of them, but some. Perhaps 10%. Second the point is not whether everyone is by profession an inventor but whether most people can be inventors. And to a degree they can be. I think you underestimate that by a large margin. You can lock people in a room and give them a problem to solve and they will invent a lot if they have the time to do it. GPT will invent nothing right now. It‘s not there yet.
- famouswaffles 4y ago
  >Yeah these intelligence tests are not very good. Lol Okay >And to a degree they can be. I think you underestimate that by a large margin. Do i? Because i'm not the one making unverifiable claims here. >You can lock people in a room and give them a problem to solve and they will invent a lot if they have the time to do it. If you say so
- hnfong 4y ago
  > Not all of them, but some. Perhaps 10%. Just listen to what you're saying: - GPT isn't at human level because GPT isn't able to invent something new - Not all programmers invent something new, but some. Perhaps 10% I'm pretty sure this implies literally that 90% programmers aren't human level. The lengths to which people are willing to go to dismiss GPT's abilities is mind boggling to me.
dataangel 4y ago
> Because it performs at least average human level (mostly well above average) on basically every task it's given. No, GPT4 fails at some very basic tasks. It can't count letters passed 15.
- famouswaffles 4y ago
  It doesn't see words.