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We kill living human cells all the time without issue. Besides, science cannot provide definitions. There is no hypothesis to test that disproves "an organism

We kill living human cells all the time without issue. Besides, science cannot provide definitions. There is no hypothesis to test that disproves "an organism is alive when it can X and Y".

NoMoreNicksLeft 4y ago
How many of those cells have you killed that were physiologically whole, were arranged in a shape of having two arms, two legs, two eyes, and every major organ but especially a brain? How many were complete organisms? > There is no hypothesis to test that disproves "an organism is alive when it can X and Y". 1. Metabolize 2. Homeostasis 3. Responds to stimuli 4. Growth 5. Reproduction Never learned the list in school? It often includes "composed of cells", but that one might not make sense for xenobiology. There are people who only believe in science, I guess, when it gives them the answers they were hoping for anyway.
- akvadrako 4y ago
  > 1. Metabolize 2. Homeostasis 3. Responds to stimuli 4. Growth 5. Reproduction That's a definition, but how do you prove scientifically it's the right one? The question doesn't even make sense. > Never learned the list in school? Being taught in school doesn't make something science.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  So if physiological wholeness is a criterion, that gives license to both abort before physiological wholeness occurs (so no issue with Plan b and similar treatments) and to abort right up to the moment of birth for any fetus with imperfections past a certain criteria (to be clarified later), right?
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 4y ago
    > that gives license to both abort before physiological wholeness occurs (so no issue with Plan b and similar treatments) I've never had an issue with that. > and to abort right up to the moment of birth for any fetus with imperfections past a certain criteria (to be clarified later), right? To be documented and assessed by a pathologist at another location, with charges to be filed against the abortionist and woman if it turns out the kid wasn't anacephalic? Sure, why not? I have principles. I'm willing to abide them. You just have outcomes you want to see occur though. I doubt compromise is possible.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      What does anacephalic have to do with it? I believe you said "two arms, two legs, two eyes, and every major organ." No eyes? Out. Missing arm? Out. Club foot? Out. Right?

We kill living human cells all the time without issue. Besides, science cannot provide definitions. There is no hypothesis to test that disproves "an organism is alive when it can X and Y".

NoMoreNicksLeft 4y ago

How many of those cells have you killed that were physiologically whole, were arranged in a shape of having two arms, two legs, two eyes, and every major organ but especially a brain? How many were complete organisms? > There is no hypothesis to test that disproves "an organism is alive when it can X and Y". 1. Metabolize 2. Homeostasis 3. Responds to stimuli 4. Growth 5. Reproduction Never learned the list in school? It often includes "composed of cells", but that one might not make sense for xenobiology. There are people who only believe in science, I guess, when it gives them the answers they were hoping for anyway.

akvadrako 4y ago
> 1. Metabolize 2. Homeostasis 3. Responds to stimuli 4. Growth 5. Reproduction That's a definition, but how do you prove scientifically it's the right one? The question doesn't even make sense. > Never learned the list in school? Being taught in school doesn't make something science.
shadowgovt 4y ago
So if physiological wholeness is a criterion, that gives license to both abort before physiological wholeness occurs (so no issue with Plan b and similar treatments) and to abort right up to the moment of birth for any fetus with imperfections past a certain criteria (to be clarified later), right?
- NoMoreNicksLeft 4y ago
  > that gives license to both abort before physiological wholeness occurs (so no issue with Plan b and similar treatments) I've never had an issue with that. > and to abort right up to the moment of birth for any fetus with imperfections past a certain criteria (to be clarified later), right? To be documented and assessed by a pathologist at another location, with charges to be filed against the abortionist and woman if it turns out the kid wasn't anacephalic? Sure, why not? I have principles. I'm willing to abide them. You just have outcomes you want to see occur though. I doubt compromise is possible.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    What does anacephalic have to do with it? I believe you said "two arms, two legs, two eyes, and every major organ." No eyes? Out. Missing arm? Out. Club foot? Out. Right?