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>Officials in Ireland, Canada and the Netherlands have called on China to shut down similar operations in their countries. So we are politely asking the Chines

>Officials in Ireland, Canada and the Netherlands have called on China to shut down similar operations in their countries. So we are politely asking the Chinese Communist Party to stop spying on us, rather than closing down these outposts ourselves. Is this a sustainble/durable option? Our open systems are simply a vulnerability for daring autocracies.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> So we are politely asking the Chinese Communist Party to stop spying on us, rather than closing down these outposts ourselves. I suspect that the countries involved have legal system which require a degree of evidence which may not be available (or which they may prefer not to reveal in the kind of process that would be required, given the possibility of resolving the problem without doing so) yet before forcibly taking action the way, e.g., the US just has, but there is no strict proof threshold for lodging a diplomatic complaint.
Parcel7183 3y ago
If the operations are this widespread in several countries that are within an intelligence alliance (Nine Eyes), surely there is some way to gather enough concrete evidence to prove this is actually happening? Physically can't imagine an intelligence operation that would endure the combined forces of some of the world's top intelligence agencies.
0xDEF 3y ago
When some EU countries arrested Iranian assasins send to kill Iranian dissidents they just politely flew the assassins back to Iran with no other punishment. In my opinion the assassins should have been jailed for planned/attempted murder. Western countries are hilariously underprepared to deal with adversaries that are both sophisticated and brutal. Adversaries like China, Russia and Iran.
- version_five 3y ago
  This is the "Demolition Man" problem. We asked them only know how to speak sternly, and when someone doesn't listen we have no other options.
- flangola7 3y ago
  You are right, although "sent them back" probably means adding their face and fingerprints to a permanent customs blacklist.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> So we are politely asking the Chinese Communist Party to stop spying on us, rather than closing down these outposts ourselves. I suspect that the countries involved have legal system which require a degree of evidence which may not be available (or which they may prefer not to reveal in the kind of process that would be required, given the possibility of resolving the problem without doing so) yet before forcibly taking action the way, e.g., the US just has, but there is no strict proof threshold for lodging a diplomatic complaint.

Parcel7183 3y ago

If the operations are this widespread in several countries that are within an intelligence alliance (Nine Eyes), surely there is some way to gather enough concrete evidence to prove this is actually happening? Physically can't imagine an intelligence operation that would endure the combined forces of some of the world's top intelligence agencies.

0xDEF 3y ago

When some EU countries arrested Iranian assasins send to kill Iranian dissidents they just politely flew the assassins back to Iran with no other punishment. In my opinion the assassins should have been jailed for planned/attempted murder. Western countries are hilariously underprepared to deal with adversaries that are both sophisticated and brutal. Adversaries like China, Russia and Iran.

version_five 3y ago
This is the "Demolition Man" problem. We asked them only know how to speak sternly, and when someone doesn't listen we have no other options.
flangola7 3y ago
You are right, although "sent them back" probably means adding their face and fingerprints to a permanent customs blacklist.