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> Now I can setup a core switch running 100 GBs with failovers by just plugging in some cables no ops person I have worked with in the last ten years knows wha

> Now I can setup a core switch running 100 GBs with failovers by just plugging in some cables no ops person I have worked with in the last ten years knows what a switch is, and this is over many companies both startup and bigtech no different for storage, compute...the experience and aptitude gap at most companies, even tech companies, is profound ops has become devops, netops is no longer in their skillset

10000truths 3y ago
I find this difficult to accept... none of your coworkers ever built their own PC? Set up their own home network?
- hhhrmmm322 3y ago
  It's believable for the kinds of organizations that the poster clearly works for.
JoBrad 3y ago
You missed a few "damn Millennials" in those comments. Anecdotally, your comments do not line up with my experience at all. Not only is our Sr SysAdmin providing sage wisdom and networking guidance to our DevOps team, but several of our Jr guys are taking the time to learn networking specifically (certs and all). In fact, we'll have a few new Juniper specialists in 6 months or so.
hhhrmmm322 3y ago
You are obviously having enormous difficulty attracting good ops and infra programmers, but that's mostly going to be due to the obvious lack of respect and probably abysmal pay you are offering. I would run away from an interview at a company you work for as fast as I possibly could just based on what you've said so far. And if I worked for you I'd quit. Case in point, you seem completely incapable of understanding how your own lack of expertise and awful pay has driven all the experienced infra people to work for cloud vendors where they can get paid what they deserve and not have to grovel before a bunch of shitty javascript devs or equivalent. Orgs like yours are trying to hire infra people the way you would hire a web developer. That isn't viable now and has never been viable. Infra roles are (or at least should be for any functional organization) more senior than product roles.

10000truths 3y ago

I find this difficult to accept... none of your coworkers ever built their own PC? Set up their own home network?

hhhrmmm322 3y ago
It's believable for the kinds of organizations that the poster clearly works for.

JoBrad 3y ago

You missed a few "damn Millennials" in those comments. Anecdotally, your comments do not line up with my experience at all. Not only is our Sr SysAdmin providing sage wisdom and networking guidance to our DevOps team, but several of our Jr guys are taking the time to learn networking specifically (certs and all). In fact, we'll have a few new Juniper specialists in 6 months or so.

hhhrmmm322 3y ago

You are obviously having enormous difficulty attracting good ops and infra programmers, but that's mostly going to be due to the obvious lack of respect and probably abysmal pay you are offering. I would run away from an interview at a company you work for as fast as I possibly could just based on what you've said so far. And if I worked for you I'd quit. Case in point, you seem completely incapable of understanding how your own lack of expertise and awful pay has driven all the experienced infra people to work for cloud vendors where they can get paid what they deserve and not have to grovel before a bunch of shitty javascript devs or equivalent. Orgs like yours are trying to hire infra people the way you would hire a web developer. That isn't viable now and has never been viable. Infra roles are (or at least should be for any functional organization) more senior than product roles.