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Me: What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"? You: Yadda yadda yadda... [no answer] I'm actually fine with taking 1.2 million as

by lapcat 4y ago

Me: What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"? You: Yadda yadda yadda... [no answer] I'm actually fine with taking 1.2 million as the assumption for the monthly active user count, but it's still absurd and inexplicable to go from that to a 50K daily active user estimate.

rvz 4y ago
Me: Do you have a verifiable source for the DAUs? You: This... https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics Me: That is MAUs, Not DAUs. Read this: https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers "Monthly Active Users" Do you have a verifiable source for the DAUs? Not MAUs? You: Errr...... So once again, you come back and have zero verifiable source(s) for the DAUs count for Mastodon. > I'm actually fine with taking 1.2 million as the assumption for the monthly active user count, but it's still absurd and inexplicable to go from that to a 50K daily active user estimate. It has always been that source for Mastodon's 'Monthly Active Users' for years and you knowingly used it to prove the numbers for the 'Daily Active Users', then when questioned you blamed the 'label' as 'misleading'. The "Monthly Active Users" label could not have been more clearer and has been for years. You are free to dismiss my estimate, but once again you have admitted that you don't have any sources to even show me the DAUs. So again: "Give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs"
- lapcat 4y ago
  I never had a strong opinion about how exactly Mastodon measures "active_user_count". I did find it curious from https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics that they seem to be scraping the servers every day, and this suggested to me that they might be counting daily active users. I could be wrong though. I don't know the technical details of how they calculate it. And I already said earlier: "In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35602391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35602391 So I was already granting that 1.2M could be the monthly user account, even while considering the possibility that it might be the daily count. I don't really care either way. I don't think it helps your argument if it's the monthly user account. So let 1.2 million be the monthly user count. Now will you explain your estimate methodology? At this point I doubt that you will. You seem to be very committed to avoiding the question, even though I've granted the assumption that you wanted.

by lapcat 4y ago

rvz 4y ago

Me: Do you have a verifiable source for the DAUs? You: This... https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics Me: That is MAUs, Not DAUs. Read this: https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers "Monthly Active Users" Do you have a verifiable source for the DAUs? Not MAUs? You: Errr...... So once again, you come back and have zero verifiable source(s) for the DAUs count for Mastodon. > I'm actually fine with taking 1.2 million as the assumption for the monthly active user count, but it's still absurd and inexplicable to go from that to a 50K daily active user estimate. It has always been that source for Mastodon's 'Monthly Active Users' for years and you knowingly used it to prove the numbers for the 'Daily Active Users', then when questioned you blamed the 'label' as 'misleading'. The "Monthly Active Users" label could not have been more clearer and has been for years. You are free to dismiss my estimate, but once again you have admitted that you don't have any sources to even show me the DAUs. So again: "Give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs"

lapcat 4y ago
I never had a strong opinion about how exactly Mastodon measures "active_user_count". I did find it curious from https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics that they seem to be scraping the servers every day, and this suggested to me that they might be counting daily active users. I could be wrong though. I don't know the technical details of how they calculate it. And I already said earlier: "In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35602391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35602391 So I was already granting that 1.2M could be the monthly user account, even while considering the possibility that it might be the daily count. I don't really care either way. I don't think it helps your argument if it's the monthly user account. So let 1.2 million be the monthly user count. Now will you explain your estimate methodology? At this point I doubt that you will. You seem to be very committed to avoiding the question, even though I've granted the assumption that you wanted.