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There absolutely is. While the kinetic and political situation in USA is much less severe than civil war China, initiatives like ESG, DEI are about changing the
by pphysch 4y ago
There absolutely is. While the kinetic and political situation in USA is much less severe than civil war China, initiatives like ESG, DEI are about changing the culture and thought patterns of individuals. They are forms of reeducation. And I do support some of these "new" ideas, but we should be clear-eyed about what's going on and how it could escalate if there is further political breakdown.
- shadowgovt 4y agoBy that metric, you can place organized religion, self-help programs, and the public education system in the same bag. It's true, but it's as uselessly true as weighing the pros and cons of having two arms given how many of Hitler's footsoldiers were observed historically to also have two arms.
- whatshisface 4y agoOrganized religion can be very cruel and totalitarian.
- pphysch 4y agoIt's not "uselessly true" to identify recent historical analogues. Quite the opposite. And yes, thought control is as old as civilization. It was not invented by the WW2 bad guys.
- shadowgovt 4y agoBut the point is when the bag is that big, "thought control" is also not apriori bad, and implying it is so by comparing corporate education and policy programs to China's liquidation program is, at best, incredibly disjoint.
- pphysch 4y agoIt's not disjoint, it's on the same spectrum. USG had pretty serious liquidation programs of their own during that era, from Japanese internment to COINTELPRO and all the deaths that resulted. And in 2023, far beyond ESG and DEI, we are looking at rising Red & Yellow Scare 2.0. (the persecution of Gang Chen for instance).
- shadowgovt 4y agoWhat does the Japanese internment program (which has been roundly criticized as a massive mistake) have to do with ESG or DEI? This is what I mean; it seems like you are throwing concepts into the same bag with only irrelevant connection to each other. I suspect there's an underlying philosophical position that is connecting these in a relevant way for you that I don't necessarily share.
- pphysch 4y ago> What does the Japanese internment program (which has been roundly criticized as a massive mistake) You do realize that the CPC also considers the GPCR a mistake in many ways?
- shadowgovt 4y agoWhat does any of that have to do with ESG or DEI?
- pphysch 4y ago> Thought Examinations, Indoctrination Meetings and Struggle Sessions
- shadowgovt 4y agoYeah, you'll have to be more specific. I've been through DEI training and none of those terms apply to it. And ESG is company policy; really none of those terms apply to it either. You're not widening the umbrella of those terms to include "criticism of the status quo" in general, are you?
- muyuu 4y agoWhere they are mandated, surely they also belong in the same bag.
- shadowgovt 4y agoSo down with public education then? Because truancy law definitely exists.
- muyuu 4y agopublic education when compulsory definitely has all the ingredients to spiral into authoritarianism
- commandlinefan 4y ago> organized religion, self-help programs Those are voluntary. > the public education system Yes and I do. That ought to be voluntary, but isn't.
- shadowgovt 4y agoIt kinda goes hand-in-glove with the whole "democracy of the citizens" thing, is the underlying philosophy underpinning things like truancy law. If you're going to force the responsibility / obligation on everyone of being citizens in a democracy, you've kinda obligated yourself to make sure they aren't too plug-ignorant to self-govern successfully.