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> All it takes is [bad things] and we're off to another > By [avoiding those bad things] they're locking us in Providing a good product at a good price is "lo

by gowld 4y ago

> All it takes is [bad things] and we're off to another > By [avoiding those bad things] they're locking us in Providing a good product at a good price is "locking in" ?

silisili 4y ago
Well sure. We're happy with the service and support, so keep deploying more and more. It's not locking in like a gym membership sure, more of a trust relationship. And the more we deploy and use, the harder it would be to jump ship.
- paulmd 4y ago
  Egress costs alone make leaving pretty much a non-starter once you're entrenched. Leaving really involves running two systems in parallel for a bit and gradually doing a changeover - blue-green in production between two different clouds. Which is not cheap/free either, you are actually going to increase your costs significantly as you leave.
  - robocat 4y ago
    Appropriately sneaky: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ appears[1] to allow export of petabytes of data but then the FAQ reneges “Snowmobile does not support data export”[2]. [1] tagline: “Migrate or transport exabyte-scale datasets into and out of AWS”. [2] “Q: Can I export data from AWS with Snowmobile?” A: No. in https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/faqs/#Using_Snowmobile https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/faqs/#Using_Snowmobile
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      The answer, for the curious, is to use Snowball Edge.
      - robocat 4y ago
        Not an answer for the Exabytes they appear to be falsely advertising they can export in the tagline. A mediocre answer for Petabytes. I agree Snowball Edge is one answer for Terabytes: “HDD storage capacity: 80 TB” - https://docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/developer-guide/sbe-specifications.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/developer-guide/...
factormeta 4y ago
Hmm, don't think that applies all the time. Herznet is way cheaper than AWS, and in most cases, I don't know why companies won't use it instead of AWS. The only reason people use it from what I know is that helps them with the next job, because everyone is using AWS. Kinda feels like ms and oracle in the 90's.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  There are more factors than "nobody got fired for buying IBM" regarding AWS/Azure/GCE: - the Big Three have data centers all over the world. No other provider can match that. (Obviously: if 99% of your customers come from the EU, Hetzner, OVH and friends will be cheaper) - there is a ton of prior experience in managing and provisioning infrastructure on the Big Three. You got Terraform providers covering every oh so tiny resource they have, and for literally every problem you got dozens upon dozens of stackoverflow/serverfault posts. - the Big Three have allll sorts of managed services. No matter if you need cheap blob hosting, virtual servers, bare metal servers without paying setup fees, AI training servers, VPNs, global load balancing/caching, data storage/archival, databases, "serverless" hosting, email, SMS, IoT communication, Active Directory and other identity/authentication/authorization solutions, business data analytics, whatever - it's all a one-stop-shop. No dozens of vendors, bills, payment schedules, GDPR processing agreements, budget issues - one vendor, one bureaucracy, everything you need. It's really bad that the EU never woke up to the rise of the Big Three and say, for example, financed the development of OpenStack to the tune that it could be used by domestic providers, because now the Big Three have all but eliminated the smaller competition.
  - drewr 4y ago
    If all you want is bare metal on the most interconnected backbone, try Equinix https://deploy.equinix.com/metal/ https://deploy.equinix.com/metal/. We're not as cheap as Hetzner or OVH, but we're just as global as public cloud and will match or beat the latency.
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      Heh fascinating. I thought you guys were purely colo hosters, my employer has a ton of rackspace at one of your DCs.

by gowld 4y ago

> All it takes is [bad things] and we're off to another > By [avoiding those bad things] they're locking us in Providing a good product at a good price is "locking in" ?

silisili 4y ago

Well sure. We're happy with the service and support, so keep deploying more and more. It's not locking in like a gym membership sure, more of a trust relationship. And the more we deploy and use, the harder it would be to jump ship.

paulmd 4y ago
Egress costs alone make leaving pretty much a non-starter once you're entrenched. Leaving really involves running two systems in parallel for a bit and gradually doing a changeover - blue-green in production between two different clouds. Which is not cheap/free either, you are actually going to increase your costs significantly as you leave.
- robocat 4y ago
  Appropriately sneaky: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ appears[1] to allow export of petabytes of data but then the FAQ reneges “Snowmobile does not support data export”[2]. [1] tagline: “Migrate or transport exabyte-scale datasets into and out of AWS”. [2] “Q: Can I export data from AWS with Snowmobile?” A: No. in https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/faqs/#Using_Snowmobile https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/faqs/#Using_Snowmobile
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    The answer, for the curious, is to use Snowball Edge.
    - robocat 4y ago
      Not an answer for the Exabytes they appear to be falsely advertising they can export in the tagline. A mediocre answer for Petabytes. I agree Snowball Edge is one answer for Terabytes: “HDD storage capacity: 80 TB” - https://docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/developer-guide/sbe-specifications.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/snowball/latest/developer-guide/...

factormeta 4y ago

Hmm, don't think that applies all the time. Herznet is way cheaper than AWS, and in most cases, I don't know why companies won't use it instead of AWS. The only reason people use it from what I know is that helps them with the next job, because everyone is using AWS. Kinda feels like ms and oracle in the 90's.

mschuster91 4y ago
There are more factors than "nobody got fired for buying IBM" regarding AWS/Azure/GCE: - the Big Three have data centers all over the world. No other provider can match that. (Obviously: if 99% of your customers come from the EU, Hetzner, OVH and friends will be cheaper) - there is a ton of prior experience in managing and provisioning infrastructure on the Big Three. You got Terraform providers covering every oh so tiny resource they have, and for literally every problem you got dozens upon dozens of stackoverflow/serverfault posts. - the Big Three have allll sorts of managed services. No matter if you need cheap blob hosting, virtual servers, bare metal servers without paying setup fees, AI training servers, VPNs, global load balancing/caching, data storage/archival, databases, "serverless" hosting, email, SMS, IoT communication, Active Directory and other identity/authentication/authorization solutions, business data analytics, whatever - it's all a one-stop-shop. No dozens of vendors, bills, payment schedules, GDPR processing agreements, budget issues - one vendor, one bureaucracy, everything you need. It's really bad that the EU never woke up to the rise of the Big Three and say, for example, financed the development of OpenStack to the tune that it could be used by domestic providers, because now the Big Three have all but eliminated the smaller competition.
- drewr 4y ago
  If all you want is bare metal on the most interconnected backbone, try Equinix https://deploy.equinix.com/metal/ https://deploy.equinix.com/metal/. We're not as cheap as Hetzner or OVH, but we're just as global as public cloud and will match or beat the latency.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Heh fascinating. I thought you guys were purely colo hosters, my employer has a ton of rackspace at one of your DCs.