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> the free market failed to implement a meaningful competition for central app stores. I don't want every component of my phone OS broken apart and subject to

> the free market failed to implement a meaningful competition for central app stores. I don't want every component of my phone OS broken apart and subject to what some legislator or lobbyist thinks is 'competition'. The competition is between Apple and Google making mobile platforms and we already had a choice. I chose Apple's approach after a few years with Google. I miss the headphone jack, but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS is nice.

kaba0 4y ago
2 is no choice, that’s just ridiculous.
- airstrike 4y ago
  Network effects. Or do we really expect devs to write proper code for 3+ entirely different native mobile platforms?
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    If only there was a way of delivery applications using a uniform set of rules independent of any manufacturer or vendor.. hmm what would I call that.... A standard perhaps.. Then maybe we could make that same application work on several types of devices and form factors that simply run that standard via a web of devices We could call them Web Apps... A Web App Standard....
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  - kaba0 4y ago
    No, that’s why we need market regulations so that the two lucky platforms that won the game serves the people, and not only their wallets.
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  More platforms would be better but the answer is for someone - commercial or some free software initiative - to get a usable and supported device to market, not making impositions on an already established platform with its own strengths and legions of customers who are willing to pay slightly more because of them.
waboremo 4y ago
>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?
- Spivak 4y ago
  The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?
  - HeckFeck 4y ago
    That and the fact that it isn't being sold to other companies (from what I know of their privacy policy) and can be disabled if you wish. I don't blindly trust any company, but from what I can tell Apple makes their money from services and hardware. Someone else in this thread has indicated that advertisers are frustrated because they cannot access Apple user data. They recently implemented E2E for all iCloud data. It looks a better offering than trusting every aspect of my online life with a company who makes their $$$ from adverts and data mining. While I'd love to use a PinePhone running OpenBSD for my mobile needs, having the ability to message my friends is nice. As are online services that Just Work, and if they make their money from me paying and not from selling my data, then we can be content.
  - paulddraper 4y ago
    :) what a hill to die on
- sizzle 4y ago
  Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices. iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back before it became obvious to me that Google apps are basically spyware for the surveillance capitalism machine.
firecall 4y ago
I’m onboard with the sentiment. However my Google Pixel dev phone is upsell and Ad free, as far I’ve noticed.

kaba0 4y ago

2 is no choice, that’s just ridiculous.

airstrike 4y ago
Network effects. Or do we really expect devs to write proper code for 3+ entirely different native mobile platforms?
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  If only there was a way of delivery applications using a uniform set of rules independent of any manufacturer or vendor.. hmm what would I call that.... A standard perhaps.. Then maybe we could make that same application work on several types of devices and form factors that simply run that standard via a web of devices We could call them Web Apps... A Web App Standard....
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- kaba0 4y ago
  No, that’s why we need market regulations so that the two lucky platforms that won the game serves the people, and not only their wallets.
HeckFeck 4y ago
More platforms would be better but the answer is for someone - commercial or some free software initiative - to get a usable and supported device to market, not making impositions on an already established platform with its own strengths and legions of customers who are willing to pay slightly more because of them.

waboremo 4y ago

>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

Spivak 4y ago
The fact these are the complaints is the best possible endorsement for iOS. That's all?
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  That and the fact that it isn't being sold to other companies (from what I know of their privacy policy) and can be disabled if you wish. I don't blindly trust any company, but from what I can tell Apple makes their money from services and hardware. Someone else in this thread has indicated that advertisers are frustrated because they cannot access Apple user data. They recently implemented E2E for all iCloud data. It looks a better offering than trusting every aspect of my online life with a company who makes their $$$ from adverts and data mining. While I'd love to use a PinePhone running OpenBSD for my mobile needs, having the ability to message my friends is nice. As are online services that Just Work, and if they make their money from me paying and not from selling my data, then we can be content.
- paulddraper 4y ago
  :) what a hill to die on
sizzle 4y ago
Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices. iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back before it became obvious to me that Google apps are basically spyware for the surveillance capitalism machine.

firecall 4y ago

I’m onboard with the sentiment. However my Google Pixel dev phone is upsell and Ad free, as far I’ve noticed.