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> I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? 1) Android hasn't made things as hard for malware vendors as Apple has, and 2) Android's not

> I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? 1) Android hasn't made things as hard for malware vendors as Apple has, and 2) Android's not as lucrative a market as iOS Those together mean incentives are significantly different, so we might not see the same behavior on iOS as we have on Android, from companies that are upset about not being able to to distribute as-effective malware as they'd prefer. Like Facebook.

chiefalchemist 4y ago
Put another way,Apple and iOS is becoming more like Google and Android. My privacy isn't happy about this.
hoffs 4y ago
Citation needed
- sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
  For the money part, https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/ iOS is 15% of the mobile device market but generates 67% of the app revenue.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Yeah, I suppose this stuff isn't common-knowledge outside the commercial mobile development space. There are complaints in this very thread about how shit the software selection is on the Play Store compared with iOS. This is why. Companies that have to, for whatever reason, pick only one platform to start on, usually pick iOS. If they add on Android later, they expect it not to make as much money as the iOS app, so may half-ass the port. In some cases, good apps that have enough revenue to keep them alive on iOS, may judge that an Android port won't be worth the added cost (especially smaller apps—think, one or two developer sorts of operations, they may run the numbers and project only a 20% revenue boost from adding an Android port, which may not be enough to cover the dev, testing, administrative, and support time the platform would require). There's a perception that, basically, Android users won't buy apps (which is... kinda true) and that's why the iOS version of an app might be ad-free and paid, while Android only gets an ad-supported variant—the vendor doesn't think creating and supporting a paid option on Android is worth the extra overhead.
    - eropple 4y ago
      I used to be a mobile developer, and I literally got death threats for charging $6 on Android. People just paid it on iOS and got on with using the app.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Also 85% of all the profit in the entire global smartphone market. [1] Roughly speaking nobody makes profit in smartphones other than Tim. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-grabs-record-smartphone-profit-share-of-85-for-apple#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr...
- tgv 4y ago
  iOS users spend more than Android users, and are even becoming the majority in the US. Here's some citation: https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-different-or-forced-to-be-enemies/ https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-...
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Spend more, and use their devices a lot more, both Web and Apps. At least, last time I looked at market research data like this, which was admittedly 4-5 years ago.
    - prox 4y ago
      As someone used Android and Apple co-currently, this is it. Android apps I supported (camera and photo apps, some music) all went down in some form and were gone in some time. Furthermore, the quality was always lower than any iOS counterparts. Apple apps almost never have these problems and are higher quality.
    - kitsunesoba 4y ago
      Something that I think is often not considered when thinking about mobile device usage stats is the proportions of types of users the market is comprised of. While I don't have any links to back the idea up, I suspect that Android's marketshare is somewhat inflated by users who'd normally be using feature phones — these users don't need anything more than the ability to make cell calls and maybe text occasionally, and even the absolute cheapest of cheap Android phones checks those boxes. There's no point in these users buying even a low-midrange Android phone, let alone a flagship or an iPhone. So while these users are technically Android users, they're not really smartphone users. Also, the difference in rates of usage extends beyond phones. I think I read some of the same reports you did and compared to iPads, Android tablets are much more likely to end up forgotten in a drawer or collecting dust on a shelf. Having a recent low-midrange Android tablet myself (for Android app dev purposes) I would guess that this is at least partially due to how ridiculously low-spec cheap Android tablets are… mine cost almost as much as a refurbished iPad 9th gen on sale but doesn't perform a fraction as well as that model of iPad. Even my old Pixel 3XL runs circles around it.
wkat4242 4y ago
Android is a much bigger market worldwide. Only in the US and a few other rich places Apple is still the #1.
- lockhouse 4y ago
  Apple is more lucrative in the sense that people spend significantly more money on their App Store.
  - HFguy 4y ago
    Read the above comment regarding FBs breakdown of revenue per customer by region.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  Only by user count. Last I checked, apple's worldwide app store revenue was nearly 10x that of Google's app store revenue.
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    So are malware vendors looking for who spends the most on software or for biggest impact through sheer number of installations
    - rovr138 4y ago
      I'm guessing they're looking for the users they can steal the most from in the least amount of time. Aka, the most lucrative. Apple's ecosystem means that most of the devices are up to date, or close, and because they control the full pipeline, things behave better. This means that targeting ios is easier (since they'll be on closer versions and behave uniformly) and that because they spend more money, which they have, means that targeting them is easier and more lucrative. Most are looking to hack. If they're looking to build a botnet, android might be better.
      - boring_twenties 4y ago

chiefalchemist 4y ago

Put another way,Apple and iOS is becoming more like Google and Android. My privacy isn't happy about this.

hoffs 4y ago

Citation needed

sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
For the money part, https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/ iOS is 15% of the mobile device market but generates 67% of the app revenue.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Yeah, I suppose this stuff isn't common-knowledge outside the commercial mobile development space. There are complaints in this very thread about how shit the software selection is on the Play Store compared with iOS. This is why. Companies that have to, for whatever reason, pick only one platform to start on, usually pick iOS. If they add on Android later, they expect it not to make as much money as the iOS app, so may half-ass the port. In some cases, good apps that have enough revenue to keep them alive on iOS, may judge that an Android port won't be worth the added cost (especially smaller apps—think, one or two developer sorts of operations, they may run the numbers and project only a 20% revenue boost from adding an Android port, which may not be enough to cover the dev, testing, administrative, and support time the platform would require). There's a perception that, basically, Android users won't buy apps (which is... kinda true) and that's why the iOS version of an app might be ad-free and paid, while Android only gets an ad-supported variant—the vendor doesn't think creating and supporting a paid option on Android is worth the extra overhead.
  - eropple 4y ago
    I used to be a mobile developer, and I literally got death threats for charging $6 on Android. People just paid it on iOS and got on with using the app.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Also 85% of all the profit in the entire global smartphone market. [1] Roughly speaking nobody makes profit in smartphones other than Tim. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-grabs-record-smartphone-profit-share-of-85-for-apple#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-03/iphone-gr...
tgv 4y ago
iOS users spend more than Android users, and are even becoming the majority in the US. Here's some citation: https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-different-or-forced-to-be-enemies/ https://nix-united.com/blog/are-android-vs-ios-users-really-...
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Spend more, and use their devices a lot more, both Web and Apps. At least, last time I looked at market research data like this, which was admittedly 4-5 years ago.
  - prox 4y ago
    As someone used Android and Apple co-currently, this is it. Android apps I supported (camera and photo apps, some music) all went down in some form and were gone in some time. Furthermore, the quality was always lower than any iOS counterparts. Apple apps almost never have these problems and are higher quality.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    Something that I think is often not considered when thinking about mobile device usage stats is the proportions of types of users the market is comprised of. While I don't have any links to back the idea up, I suspect that Android's marketshare is somewhat inflated by users who'd normally be using feature phones — these users don't need anything more than the ability to make cell calls and maybe text occasionally, and even the absolute cheapest of cheap Android phones checks those boxes. There's no point in these users buying even a low-midrange Android phone, let alone a flagship or an iPhone. So while these users are technically Android users, they're not really smartphone users. Also, the difference in rates of usage extends beyond phones. I think I read some of the same reports you did and compared to iPads, Android tablets are much more likely to end up forgotten in a drawer or collecting dust on a shelf. Having a recent low-midrange Android tablet myself (for Android app dev purposes) I would guess that this is at least partially due to how ridiculously low-spec cheap Android tablets are… mine cost almost as much as a refurbished iPad 9th gen on sale but doesn't perform a fraction as well as that model of iPad. Even my old Pixel 3XL runs circles around it.

wkat4242 4y ago

Android is a much bigger market worldwide. Only in the US and a few other rich places Apple is still the #1.

lockhouse 4y ago
Apple is more lucrative in the sense that people spend significantly more money on their App Store.
- HFguy 4y ago
  Read the above comment regarding FBs breakdown of revenue per customer by region.
jjeaff 4y ago
Only by user count. Last I checked, apple's worldwide app store revenue was nearly 10x that of Google's app store revenue.
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  So are malware vendors looking for who spends the most on software or for biggest impact through sheer number of installations
  - rovr138 4y ago
    I'm guessing they're looking for the users they can steal the most from in the least amount of time. Aka, the most lucrative. Apple's ecosystem means that most of the devices are up to date, or close, and because they control the full pipeline, things behave better. This means that targeting ios is easier (since they'll be on closer versions and behave uniformly) and that because they spend more money, which they have, means that targeting them is easier and more lucrative. Most are looking to hack. If they're looking to build a botnet, android might be better.
    - boring_twenties 4y ago