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The claim that it's a bed for human trafficking and child pornography is the reason they now require user verification and consent forms. At the time it was a

The claim that it's a bed for human trafficking and child pornography is the reason they now require user verification and consent forms. At the time it was a valid criticism, now it weirdly feels like misdirection or disingenuous puff piece because the seedy underbelly of porn streaming and piracy has probably shifted elsewhere.

herbst 4y ago
I see that. But at this point in time PH as as ethical as it can get for porn creators and consumers. It's sad when we do not appreciate this fact and force others to follow but still blame it for the same old, now invalid, reasons
- cptcobalt 4y ago
  > But at this point in time PH as as ethical as it can get for porn creators and consumers. I'm extremely sex work and porn positive, but the current status quo doesn't mean they're doing all they can. This is a bit of a distracting comment, because indeed, things are better than most expect, but could always be better.
  - herbst 4y ago
    But how? I spent more time thinking about these things than I would like to and having a passport copy for any individual publishing on their site and checking each video manually before putting it live is basically as good as it gets. I am not trying to excuse PornHub. Like most I've seen myself that they didn't care a lot not to long ago. But we need to move forward, find better ways and make porn fun for anyone.
    - cptcobalt 4y ago
      Yeah, from that mechanical review purview, yes—a lot is already happening. But I have friends in the industry (not in PH, but friends who went into OF), and there's more that can be done, particularly in the mental health, comment moderation, & community moderation/engagement department. > But we need to move forward, find better ways and make porn fun for anyone. +1,000!
      - herbst 4y ago
        OF is particularly bad when we talk about mental health & moderation because most happens in enclosed spaces and your stalkers are also your customers. OF doesn't really seem to care either. On PH most texting is public, comments usually have a positive attitude so I assume a lot of moderation is done. I don't think it compares well. However i see we both share some important values :)

herbst 4y ago

I see that. But at this point in time PH as as ethical as it can get for porn creators and consumers. It's sad when we do not appreciate this fact and force others to follow but still blame it for the same old, now invalid, reasons

cptcobalt 4y ago
> But at this point in time PH as as ethical as it can get for porn creators and consumers. I'm extremely sex work and porn positive, but the current status quo doesn't mean they're doing all they can. This is a bit of a distracting comment, because indeed, things are better than most expect, but could always be better.
- herbst 4y ago
  But how? I spent more time thinking about these things than I would like to and having a passport copy for any individual publishing on their site and checking each video manually before putting it live is basically as good as it gets. I am not trying to excuse PornHub. Like most I've seen myself that they didn't care a lot not to long ago. But we need to move forward, find better ways and make porn fun for anyone.
  - cptcobalt 4y ago
    Yeah, from that mechanical review purview, yes—a lot is already happening. But I have friends in the industry (not in PH, but friends who went into OF), and there's more that can be done, particularly in the mental health, comment moderation, & community moderation/engagement department. > But we need to move forward, find better ways and make porn fun for anyone. +1,000!
    - herbst 4y ago
      OF is particularly bad when we talk about mental health & moderation because most happens in enclosed spaces and your stalkers are also your customers. OF doesn't really seem to care either. On PH most texting is public, comments usually have a positive attitude so I assume a lot of moderation is done. I don't think it compares well. However i see we both share some important values :)