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I think you absolutely have hit the nail on the head in your arguments here. E-sports leagues want the tool to be consistent across the years, and want to make

I think you absolutely have hit the nail on the head in your arguments here. E-sports leagues want the tool to be consistent across the years, and want to make sure their top players are able to maintain their elite status for the headlines and press they get. Games that cater to e-sports leagues tend to be come very much about power players; fun is secondary to winning. That is incompatible with a company that seems to want to make fun things for a family to play, like Nintendo. Copyright striking everything is one issue, but not wanting to bend over backwards for e-sports is a different thing entirely; and I think it makes sense for a massive company like Nintendo.

_gabe_ 4y ago
> That is incompatible with a company that seems to want to make fun things for a family to play, like Nintendo. Yes, because sibling rivalry and intense competition among family simply never happens. It's always just a fun time where everybody is a winner. Except for the fact that games like Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Wii Sports, etc will literally call out the winners and the losers of the tournament/match/game. This argument makes no sense whatsoever. Plenty of people like to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, insert sport here for fun. That doesn't change the fact that there are paid professional leagues that take it to the next level. And the reason the professionals get paid is because other people, even sometimes those casual players, enjoy watching professionals play their favorite game at a superb level of skill. > Copyright striking everything is one issue, but not wanting to bend over backwards for e-sports is a different thing entirely; You and OP keep saying this. Please tell me what restrictions e-Sports players are trying to place on Nintendo? In this specific instance, SWT was literally playing one game that is 22 years old and that Nintendo does not even sell anymore (afaict you can't purchase Smash Melee from Nintendo). The other game was released 5 years ago, and the e-Sports scene wasn't demanding that Nintendo stop making updates or something afaik. And, just as an aside, I don't give a crap about e-Sports. But the e-Sports scene certainly hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of playing smash with my brothers for fun and for competitive fun.
- smcl 4y ago
  > I don't give a crap about e-Sports Yes this is what's so bizarre! You and I are disconnected from that scene altogether (I don't even like Smash!), we don't have any vested interests and yet we can both see that it's really weird behaviour from Nintendo. We can only guess what's going on, tbh it's such a spectacularly wealthy company they can get up to plenty of dumb things without ever really noticing the impact on their bottom line.
- sverona 4y ago
  "Melee HD" has been an in-joke amongst the community for over a decade now. It's never happening.
smcl 4y ago
The sister-comment to yours by user fat-chunk describes it much better, but we're not even talking about big commercial events and corporate entities. We're talking about community events run for fun, rather than profit. But even then, the point is that if they don't want to cater to these communities they can simply ignore any requests and not engage whatsoever. You say they needn't "bend over backwards for e-sports" but that's not what's happening. Maybe players would prefer the consistency you describe, maybe they even ask for it ... but more than anything they just want the ability to play. As it stands Nintendo are being pretty petty and are bending over backwards to fuck with them, when they could instead just ... not.

_gabe_ 4y ago

> That is incompatible with a company that seems to want to make fun things for a family to play, like Nintendo. Yes, because sibling rivalry and intense competition among family simply never happens. It's always just a fun time where everybody is a winner. Except for the fact that games like Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Wii Sports, etc will literally call out the winners and the losers of the tournament/match/game. This argument makes no sense whatsoever. Plenty of people like to play Football, Baseball, Basketball, insert sport here for fun. That doesn't change the fact that there are paid professional leagues that take it to the next level. And the reason the professionals get paid is because other people, even sometimes those casual players, enjoy watching professionals play their favorite game at a superb level of skill. > Copyright striking everything is one issue, but not wanting to bend over backwards for e-sports is a different thing entirely; You and OP keep saying this. Please tell me what restrictions e-Sports players are trying to place on Nintendo? In this specific instance, SWT was literally playing one game that is 22 years old and that Nintendo does not even sell anymore (afaict you can't purchase Smash Melee from Nintendo). The other game was released 5 years ago, and the e-Sports scene wasn't demanding that Nintendo stop making updates or something afaik. And, just as an aside, I don't give a crap about e-Sports. But the e-Sports scene certainly hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of playing smash with my brothers for fun and for competitive fun.

smcl 4y ago
> I don't give a crap about e-Sports Yes this is what's so bizarre! You and I are disconnected from that scene altogether (I don't even like Smash!), we don't have any vested interests and yet we can both see that it's really weird behaviour from Nintendo. We can only guess what's going on, tbh it's such a spectacularly wealthy company they can get up to plenty of dumb things without ever really noticing the impact on their bottom line.
sverona 4y ago
"Melee HD" has been an in-joke amongst the community for over a decade now. It's never happening.

smcl 4y ago

The sister-comment to yours by user fat-chunk describes it much better, but we're not even talking about big commercial events and corporate entities. We're talking about community events run for fun, rather than profit. But even then, the point is that if they don't want to cater to these communities they can simply ignore any requests and not engage whatsoever. You say they needn't "bend over backwards for e-sports" but that's not what's happening. Maybe players would prefer the consistency you describe, maybe they even ask for it ... but more than anything they just want the ability to play. As it stands Nintendo are being pretty petty and are bending over backwards to fuck with them, when they could instead just ... not.