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> We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? Here are som

by lapcat 4y ago

> We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics > Mastodon fans (like yourself) Mastodon users like myself > there are 'millions of users' using it daily Not millions plural, but over a million according to the link above.

rvz 4y ago
> Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? What do you think '~' stands for? It is approximate estimation and my point still stands unchallenged. > Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics You don't even know yourself. That statistic is "MONTHLY" active users, not DAILY active users. You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". [0] Try again. [0] https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers
- lapcat 4y ago
  > What do you think '~' stands for? I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. > You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". It also literally says right below that, "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Look at the data. It has daily counts. For example, here's the April 15 data that matches with what the page says: {"period":"2023-04-15","server_count":"9509","user_count":"6641082","active_user_count":"1201004"} I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Do you think Twitter has 6 billion MAU?
  - rvz 4y ago
    > I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. We both know there are NO sources. You gave a source for the MAUs. Thus, we can only give approximations and estimations of its DAUs. > I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. Now you think it's the label's fault, after 7 years? Oh no! "It's misleading"! Something that has been representative of Mastodon's monthly usage for 7 years is now not believable and is 'misleading'! /s Oh dear. > In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Not for federated networks, yet here we are comparing centralized platforms like Facebook, Twitter and counting the numbers as if they are the same which we both know they aren't. Henceforth, give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs next time since you're still struggling to do so.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      You're being deliberately obtuse. I said the raw data for 2023-04-15 on https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics matches exactly the numbers on https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers for "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Everyone can see that, including you if you choose. I didn't say the numbers were "not believable". The question is what "Monthly" is supposed to mean exactly, given that the raw numbers change every day, as everyone can see from the above link. And as I said, one possible interpretation is "unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month". > Not for federated networks Says you, with no evidence, again. What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"?
      - rvz 4y ago
        > You're being deliberately obtuse. I said the raw data for 2023-04-15 on https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics matches exactly the numbers on https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers for "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Everyone can see that, including you if you choose. I didn't say the numbers were "not believable". And that represents the 'monthly' usage as I repeatedly said. That only shows MAUs, not daily. Never was a problem for 7 years. > The question is what "Monthly" is supposed to mean exactly, given that the raw numbers change every day, as everyone can see from the above link. And as I said, one possible interpreation is "unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month". It is clear that it is representative of the MAU of every "active" Mastodon instance and corroborates with that fedi-list link I gave which also clearly shows "MAU" and matches with that. There is no room for excuses or blaming labels after 7 years of Mastodon's MAUs count. > Says you, with no evidence, again. What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"? Yet it seems that you haven't even tried refuting it with any verifiable source and you are continuously passing the MAU metric as the DAU which is clearly incorrect, which I can dismiss your so-called 'DAU' source for Mastodon. Until then: "Give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs next time since you're still struggling to do so."

by lapcat 4y ago

rvz 4y ago

> Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? What do you think '~' stands for? It is approximate estimation and my point still stands unchallenged. > Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics You don't even know yourself. That statistic is "MONTHLY" active users, not DAILY active users. You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". [0] Try again. [0] https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers

lapcat 4y ago
> What do you think '~' stands for? I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. > You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". It also literally says right below that, "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Look at the data. It has daily counts. For example, here's the April 15 data that matches with what the page says: {"period":"2023-04-15","server_count":"9509","user_count":"6641082","active_user_count":"1201004"} I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Do you think Twitter has 6 billion MAU?
- rvz 4y ago
  > I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. We both know there are NO sources. You gave a source for the MAUs. Thus, we can only give approximations and estimations of its DAUs. > I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. Now you think it's the label's fault, after 7 years? Oh no! "It's misleading"! Something that has been representative of Mastodon's monthly usage for 7 years is now not believable and is 'misleading'! /s Oh dear. > In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Not for federated networks, yet here we are comparing centralized platforms like Facebook, Twitter and counting the numbers as if they are the same which we both know they aren't. Henceforth, give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs next time since you're still struggling to do so.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    You're being deliberately obtuse. I said the raw data for 2023-04-15 on https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics matches exactly the numbers on https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers for "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Everyone can see that, including you if you choose. I didn't say the numbers were "not believable". The question is what "Monthly" is supposed to mean exactly, given that the raw numbers change every day, as everyone can see from the above link. And as I said, one possible interpretation is "unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month". > Not for federated networks Says you, with no evidence, again. What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"?
    - rvz 4y ago
      > You're being deliberately obtuse. I said the raw data for 2023-04-15 on https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics matches exactly the numbers on https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers for "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Everyone can see that, including you if you choose. I didn't say the numbers were "not believable". And that represents the 'monthly' usage as I repeatedly said. That only shows MAUs, not daily. Never was a problem for 7 years. > The question is what "Monthly" is supposed to mean exactly, given that the raw numbers change every day, as everyone can see from the above link. And as I said, one possible interpreation is "unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month". It is clear that it is representative of the MAU of every "active" Mastodon instance and corroborates with that fedi-list link I gave which also clearly shows "MAU" and matches with that. There is no room for excuses or blaming labels after 7 years of Mastodon's MAUs count. > Says you, with no evidence, again. What exactly was your methodology for producing the estimate "50,000"? Yet it seems that you haven't even tried refuting it with any verifiable source and you are continuously passing the MAU metric as the DAU which is clearly incorrect, which I can dismiss your so-called 'DAU' source for Mastodon. Until then: "Give a proper source that is verifiable that shows Mastodons DAUs and NOT its MAUs next time since you're still struggling to do so."