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Do you think they would vote against be allowed to work? I always wanted jobs as a teen so I could do stuff- I wanted to be independent as do most teens I'd im

• jeffbee 3y ago
  Not sure where you studied arithmetic but in my locale 12 is not "teen".
  • nverno 3y ago
    > children under 18 Whether your 12 or 13-18, I doubt their voting preferences would be considerably different in this regard.
• micromacrofoot 3y ago
  It's not for me to say how they'd vote, if they're working they should be able to vote for someone to represent their interests.
  • theandrewbailey 3y ago
    They should be able to vote with their feet and not work, or work somewhere else.
    • micromacrofoot 3y ago
      That's not a compelling argument to prevent them from voting. Their paychecks are taxed, let them vote.
      • theandrewbailey 3y ago
        Suffrage isn't granted based on paying taxes. Is it anywhere? Paying taxes is simply the cost of living in a society, but I don't think that paying them should grant you a voice any more than buying a company's products gives you a vote in who their CEO is. Foreign nationals pay taxes on their income, but they aren't allowed to vote. As soon as kids are old enough to buy things from stores, they are paying sales taxes, but no one's arguing that kids should vote because of it.
        • micromacrofoot 3y ago
          Sales tax is different than federal income taxes for services like social security and the like, as not all states levy a sales tax... "No taxation without representation" was one of the better insights to come out of the American Revolution, and has never gone far enough. I'm of the mind that anyone that can prove that they're a long-term tax-paying resident should be able to vote. I am interested in hearing more opinions about why children should specifically not be allowed to vote though, these always tend to devolve to "kids are dumb" or "aren't mature enough to make that kind of decision" but under that reasoning I don't think they should be working fields, driving cars, playing full-contact sports, etc... what kids can and can not do seems to be dictated by the economy and ruling class more than what they're actually capable of or what's good for them.
• nsxwolf 3y ago
  I don’t know how old you are (over 40?) but I suspect there’s a generational gap here. In the 1990s and before, in my part of the US anyway, a teenager without a job was seen as lazy or entitled. Sometime after the mobile internet happened kids stopped working. They stopped driving cars and that was a big motivator for work. There was a lot of money flying around and parents just started handing spending money to their kids. Now I read articles post-COVID that sound shocked that fast food chains are advertising jobs to 14 year olds. If you’re much under 40, this might seem like some terrifying Charles Dickens stuff.
  • nverno 3y ago
    I was a teen in the early 00s, so just prior to mobile internet really taking off. Driving was a huge motivator for us to work (rural). I suspect your right about the generational gap. Perspective also seems to differ between urban/rural. I'd get it if there were some great alternative that teens were missing out on because they worked, but from my experience there was plenty of time to work, go to school, and still smoke weed everyday. Granted I didn't do 10-hour days 5-6 days a week all summer like the guy in the article, but normal 40-50hr/week full-time summer jobs was nothing.
  • bigbillheck 3y ago
    My first paid job was at 16, I'm pushing 50 and that's some terrifying Charles Dickens stuff.
    • nsxwolf 3y ago
      I started food service work at 14 in the early 90s and it's some of the greatest memories of my youth.
  • micromacrofoot 3y ago
    I've heard that there's also a perception that the work itself has become worse since the 90s. I don't know if this is actually true, but on the retail job level I've heard it involves more micromanaging, more rude customers, more work per employee, and pay is worse when adjusted for inflation.