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I recognise Gordonjcp's autonomy to choose their own preferred identity. Nationality is a social construct that can be perceived differently in various contexts

by sd9 3y ago

I recognise Gordonjcp's autonomy to choose their own preferred identity. Nationality is a social construct that can be perceived differently in various contexts. If someone prefers to identify as Scottish rather than British, at least in informal settings, I believe it's important to respect their perspective instead of insisting on a particular label. Of course, they might _technically_ be British from a legal standpoint, which I'm sure Gordonjcp is aware of. It's entirely possible to be both British and not-British simultaneously in different contexts. This sort of thing isn't black and white.

toyg 3y ago
> I believe it's important to respect their perspective instead of insisting on a particular label. Absolutely, but it would be nice if people expressed their wishes in logical terms. "I prefer to describe that dog as a terrier" is logically sound, "that is a terrier, not a dog" is not. The latter tries to arbitrarily redefine what a dog is.
- sd9 3y ago
  "I am not British, I'm Scottish." is just shorthand for that. It's a bit like "Charlie's not a dog, he's my best friend"
  - toyg 3y ago
    Charlie's not just a dog, but he's indeed a dog. Shorthands are fine, but this is not it. This is some weird agenda to deny the logical truth.
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    > "Charlie's not a dog, he's my best friend" I'd argue that one can be damaging and we should call people out on it. Dogs are dogs and they need to be treated like dogs. The infantilization of dogs is how you get unleashed dogs getting into dog fights when it turns out that Charlie really just is another dog and should have been leashed.
Gordonjcp 3y ago
I mean, it says "United Kingdom of Great Britain" on the front of my recently-issued taking-back-control-of-Britain blue passport, printed in Poland by a French company using Spanish presses and software, Italian ink, Finnish paper, and equipped with an RFID tag made in Turkey, all of whom beat out a company in Sunderland for the contract, who have since gone bust. Yay for Brexit.

by sd9 3y ago

toyg 3y ago

> I believe it's important to respect their perspective instead of insisting on a particular label. Absolutely, but it would be nice if people expressed their wishes in logical terms. "I prefer to describe that dog as a terrier" is logically sound, "that is a terrier, not a dog" is not. The latter tries to arbitrarily redefine what a dog is.

sd9 3y ago
"I am not British, I'm Scottish." is just shorthand for that. It's a bit like "Charlie's not a dog, he's my best friend"
- toyg 3y ago
  Charlie's not just a dog, but he's indeed a dog. Shorthands are fine, but this is not it. This is some weird agenda to deny the logical truth.
- lamontcg 3y ago
  > "Charlie's not a dog, he's my best friend" I'd argue that one can be damaging and we should call people out on it. Dogs are dogs and they need to be treated like dogs. The infantilization of dogs is how you get unleashed dogs getting into dog fights when it turns out that Charlie really just is another dog and should have been leashed.

Gordonjcp 3y ago

I mean, it says "United Kingdom of Great Britain" on the front of my recently-issued taking-back-control-of-Britain blue passport, printed in Poland by a French company using Spanish presses and software, Italian ink, Finnish paper, and equipped with an RFID tag made in Turkey, all of whom beat out a company in Sunderland for the contract, who have since gone bust. Yay for Brexit.