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This seems erroneous "~50,000 DAU (1.4M MAU)". It can't be true that the average monthly user only interacts once per month (1.4M/50k). How do you explain the f

This seems erroneous "~50,000 DAU (1.4M MAU)". It can't be true that the average monthly user only interacts once per month (1.4M/50k). How do you explain the figure? Dividing MAU by 30 would not be a good approach.

rvz 4y ago
At least one 'Toot' from a registered user a day = 1 daily active user (DAU), no matter how many times they toot, boost, reply or whatever. > Dividing MAU by 30 would not be a good approach. It is. By doing so with the top 20 Mastodon instances [0] we get even less than 50,000 users using it daily, hence the generous approximation. Even if we don't, we can only imply that the DAU is ultimately far less than 100,000 users a day, posting at least once on the platform. This is why many Mastodon supporters would rather not tell me the daily active users and would immediately avoid mentioning it, which this is the real reason why they cannot claim that millions are using it 'daily'. [0] http://demo.fedilist.com/instance?software=mastodon&onion=not&sort=mau http://demo.fedilist.com/instance?software=mastodon&onion=no...
- lapcat 4y ago
  > At least one 'Toot' from a registered user a day = 1 daily active user (DAU), no matter how many times they toot, boost, reply or whatever. This is not how Twitter measures DAU. In fact, most Twitter users are quiet lurkers who rarely if ever tweet. Twitter makes money (or used to make money) from their eyeballs, not from their tweets.
  - rvz 4y ago
    We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Twitter's DAU is already known to be over in the hundreds of millions approximately. The whole point is: >> Even if we don't, we can only imply that the DAU is ultimately far less than 100,000 users a day, posting at least once on the platform. Either way, it is safe to assume and with the data from Fedlist and matching it with the instances of 'active users' it is still less than 1% of the DAUs on Twitter, hence why Mastodon fans (like yourself) cannot claim and proudly show that there are 'millions of users' using it daily. Furthermore, debunking the so-called 'Twitter migration' that wasn't.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics > Mastodon fans (like yourself) Mastodon users like myself > there are 'millions of users' using it daily Not millions plural, but over a million according to the link above.
      - rvz 4y ago
        > Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? What do you think '~' stands for? It is approximate estimation and my point still stands unchallenged. > Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics You don't even know yourself. That statistic is "MONTHLY" active users, not DAILY active users. You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". [0] Try again. [0] https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers
        lapcat 4y ago
        > What do you think '~' stands for? I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. > You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". It also literally says right below that, "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Look at the data. It has daily counts. For example, here's the April 15 data that matches with what the page says: {"period":"2023-04-15","server_count":"9509","user_count":"6641082","active_user_count":"1201004"} I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Do you think Twitter has 6 billion MAU?

rvz 4y ago

At least one 'Toot' from a registered user a day = 1 daily active user (DAU), no matter how many times they toot, boost, reply or whatever. > Dividing MAU by 30 would not be a good approach. It is. By doing so with the top 20 Mastodon instances [0] we get even less than 50,000 users using it daily, hence the generous approximation. Even if we don't, we can only imply that the DAU is ultimately far less than 100,000 users a day, posting at least once on the platform. This is why many Mastodon supporters would rather not tell me the daily active users and would immediately avoid mentioning it, which this is the real reason why they cannot claim that millions are using it 'daily'. [0] http://demo.fedilist.com/instance?software=mastodon&onion=not&sort=mau http://demo.fedilist.com/instance?software=mastodon&onion=no...

lapcat 4y ago
> At least one 'Toot' from a registered user a day = 1 daily active user (DAU), no matter how many times they toot, boost, reply or whatever. This is not how Twitter measures DAU. In fact, most Twitter users are quiet lurkers who rarely if ever tweet. Twitter makes money (or used to make money) from their eyeballs, not from their tweets.
- rvz 4y ago
  We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Twitter's DAU is already known to be over in the hundreds of millions approximately. The whole point is: >> Even if we don't, we can only imply that the DAU is ultimately far less than 100,000 users a day, posting at least once on the platform. Either way, it is safe to assume and with the data from Fedlist and matching it with the instances of 'active users' it is still less than 1% of the DAUs on Twitter, hence why Mastodon fans (like yourself) cannot claim and proudly show that there are 'millions of users' using it daily. Furthermore, debunking the so-called 'Twitter migration' that wasn't.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > We are talking about Mastodon's DAU which that is still a mystery. Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics > Mastodon fans (like yourself) Mastodon users like myself > there are 'millions of users' using it daily Not millions plural, but over a million according to the link above.
    - rvz 4y ago
      > Is this an admission that 50,000 was just an invented number out of nowhere? What do you think '~' stands for? It is approximate estimation and my point still stands unchallenged. > Here are some stats though: https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics https://api.joinmastodon.org/statistics You don't even know yourself. That statistic is "MONTHLY" active users, not DAILY active users. You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". [0] Try again. [0] https://joinmastodon.org/servers https://joinmastodon.org/servers
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > What do you think '~' stands for? I think it stands for, you made it up. You still haven't given any citation whatever for that number. > You gave a figure that is collected directly from the 'servers' page that literally says "Monthly Active Users". It also literally says right below that, "Data collected by crawling all accessible Mastodon servers on Apr 15, 2023." Look at the data. It has daily counts. For example, here's the April 15 data that matches with what the page says: {"period":"2023-04-15","server_count":"9509","user_count":"6641082","active_user_count":"1201004"} I think it's actually the "Monthly" label there that seems somewhat misleading, unless perhaps it means they update the page once a month. In any case, as another commenter mentioned, DAU and MAU tend to be relatively close. You don't go from 1.2M monthly users all the way down to 50K daily active users, that's nonsense. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35600846 Do you think Twitter has 6 billion MAU?