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I agree. I find it interesting that we took search on Twitter for granted and only realize later that it is probably more important than expected. Maybe a searc

by WA 4y ago

I agree. I find it interesting that we took search on Twitter for granted and only realize later that it is probably more important than expected. Maybe a search engine for Mastodon can fix this.

WJW 4y ago
AFAIK there have been several attempts at this, but Mastodon deliberately does not support arbitrary search and some communities are extremely hostile to having their posts scraped.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  This seems like it guarantees political battles of some sort? Whether intra or inter-community.
  - WJW 4y ago
    Given how many political battles there are on platforms that do have full text search, I don't think it's the lack or presence of full text search that causes such things. Rather it seems likely that political battles naturally arise on any social media platform that allows broadcasting your opinion to the whole world.
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      I meant battles between different instance hosters and moderators.
robin_reala 4y ago
The Mastodon argument against generic search is that it leads to pile-ons. If you want to opt-in a post to be searchable then you expose it via hashtags. To a Twitter user it feels a bit over-exuberant new social media manager, but once you understand the context it becomes more understandable.
- nstart 4y ago
  Unfortunately not enough people use it. And realistically, in the middle of a formula 1 race or a ufc fight, there’s no time to be hashtagging each and every keyword if you are live sharing your thoughts or replying to others. A single key hashtag is fine like #AusGP. But when I want to search for Albon and Red Flags and opinions on that, I can’t expect people to do #Albon and #RedFlag. Full text search is sorely missed :,(
- rapnie 4y ago
  There's another aspect to Mastodon search that distinguishes it from Twitter. When you search you do so in your own history of prior interactions. It is like 'personal search' that way and becomes more valuable the longer you are active on the Fediverse.
- noirscape 4y ago
  The real reason is mostly just speed. Pleroma has a full text search and its frankly kinda ass in terms of speed. You need fairly beefy hardware to make full-text searches an option if you're dealing with that many "documents". Doubly so on Mastodon, which is already fairly bogged down by being a Rails application. The infra can't really support it without heavily centralizing the model (something for which Mastodons questionable tech stack already doesn't do itself any favors). There's also a bit of a privacy concern in that many instances just don't like it when big nameless entities start scraping the posts of their users, which also leads to a fairly hostile mentality towards the concept.

by WA 4y ago

I agree. I find it interesting that we took search on Twitter for granted and only realize later that it is probably more important than expected. Maybe a search engine for Mastodon can fix this.

WJW 4y ago

AFAIK there have been several attempts at this, but Mastodon deliberately does not support arbitrary search and some communities are extremely hostile to having their posts scraped.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
This seems like it guarantees political battles of some sort? Whether intra or inter-community.
- WJW 4y ago
  Given how many political battles there are on platforms that do have full text search, I don't think it's the lack or presence of full text search that causes such things. Rather it seems likely that political battles naturally arise on any social media platform that allows broadcasting your opinion to the whole world.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    I meant battles between different instance hosters and moderators.

robin_reala 4y ago

The Mastodon argument against generic search is that it leads to pile-ons. If you want to opt-in a post to be searchable then you expose it via hashtags. To a Twitter user it feels a bit over-exuberant new social media manager, but once you understand the context it becomes more understandable.

nstart 4y ago
Unfortunately not enough people use it. And realistically, in the middle of a formula 1 race or a ufc fight, there’s no time to be hashtagging each and every keyword if you are live sharing your thoughts or replying to others. A single key hashtag is fine like #AusGP. But when I want to search for Albon and Red Flags and opinions on that, I can’t expect people to do #Albon and #RedFlag. Full text search is sorely missed :,(
rapnie 4y ago
There's another aspect to Mastodon search that distinguishes it from Twitter. When you search you do so in your own history of prior interactions. It is like 'personal search' that way and becomes more valuable the longer you are active on the Fediverse.
noirscape 4y ago
The real reason is mostly just speed. Pleroma has a full text search and its frankly kinda ass in terms of speed. You need fairly beefy hardware to make full-text searches an option if you're dealing with that many "documents". Doubly so on Mastodon, which is already fairly bogged down by being a Rails application. The infra can't really support it without heavily centralizing the model (something for which Mastodons questionable tech stack already doesn't do itself any favors). There's also a bit of a privacy concern in that many instances just don't like it when big nameless entities start scraping the posts of their users, which also leads to a fairly hostile mentality towards the concept.