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> This one hurts, it really hurts. I think this hurts worse than Musk buying/poisoning/killing Twitter. I've mentioned this before but a keyboard feels like an
by unpopularopp 4y ago
> This one hurts, it really hurts. I think this hurts worse than Musk buying/poisoning/killing Twitter. I've mentioned this before but a keyboard feels like an extension of your body
People need to take a break. Being terminally online and complaining about everything is not a healthy way of life.
- pffft8888 4y agoSays a person who is online...
- gondaloof 4y agoDrinking one glass of wine is not the same as being passed out on the sidewalk at noon.
- pffft8888 4y agoBut the person is complaining about people complaining. I find it ironic.
- quaintdev 4y agoWhy do we feel this need to disect everything
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- blitzar 4y ago[flagged]
- xeonmc 4y agoI liked the phrase “performative erudition” the New Yorker article[0] used to describe HN’s social theatre. [0] https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/the-lonely-work-of-moderating-hacker-news https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
- pffft8888 4y agoYou just got validated. Does that mean you're desperate? or anxious? or even sick in the head?
- blitzar 4y agoIt is all part of the Human Condition.
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- yellowapple 4y agoProbably for the same reason people feel the need to complain about people complaining... and then complain about people complaining about people complaining, and so on.
- maxbond 4y agoAnalysis is the most straightforward path to resolving disagreement. Get enough people talking and you'll have disagreement. The immediate result is analysis.
- pdimitar 4y agoThis is not an analysis at all, people online have been misusing the word "ironic" forever. Almost nobody uses it correctly. It's a way to shut down debate while pretending to use a legitimate debating technique. A tale as old as the internet itself.
- maxbond 4y agoI was responding to the question, "why do we feel the need to pick everything apart?", not this other comment. I'd point out your response was an analysis of the use of the term "irony" in online discourse.
- InsomniacL 4y agoThat feels like some sort of survivor bias. The majority of people didn't feel that and passed on by without commenting.
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- DoreenMichele 4y agoI don't know anything about the author, but some people spend a lot of time online because they are handicapped and can't get out much. Such people can be pretty miserable, sometimes all the time, thus prone to venting. They would stop if you could fix their broken body and broken lives.
- necovek 4y agoYou start with a caveat, then make a set of unfounded assumptions, lead to an unfounded conclusion and equally unfounded resolution. While you use qualifiers like "some" and "can" throughout, I don't really see any substance to the comment. Basically, a single person existing that does match your comment makes your comment true, without any hint at how pervasive this might be.
- DoreenMichele 4y agoFifteen to twenty percent of people self identify as handicapped. There used to be -- and may still be -- hash tags and such on Twitter to help such people find each other. I'm very seriously handicapped and don't get out much. It's why I spend so much time online. It's called testimony -- giving a voice for a topic I have a lot of firsthand knowledge of. I have no idea why you are attacking it so aggressively.
- necovek 4y agoIt's called _testimony_ only iff you say it is you that are in that particular boat. As such, I thank you for sharing your story: that requires courage for sure, and can certainly give support for any one point! If that use of qualifiers is what gives you that courage, take my apology for being so "aggressive". I was simply suggesting to avoid generalizing, even (especially) when starting from your own experience. Your comment suggested that all the handicapped people might have the same reasons and same feelings, which I felt inappropriate.
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
- akira2501 4y agoPeople react to things differently. They also aren't complaining "about everything." They're highlighting a specific problem with a specific product and using a single exterior example to make their point. While they had a strong reaction to this that was over the top at points, I still feel it was a worthwhile thread documenting a new problem.
- egeozcan 4y agoIf a keyboard app feels like an extension of your body, it means you write a lot. It doesn't mean that you are "terminally online", and even if you were online all the time, that's a personal choice and not being online all the time doesn't even solve the problem shared here. I'd even say, perhaps it's best not to tell people that their problems aren't problems to begin with. I'm not saying one should care, it'd be enough just not to explicitly dismiss on their face.
- yarg 4y agoThe same shit happens when driving. Our internal understanding of our own bodies seems to adapt to take the tools we're using into account. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_schema https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_schema https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q=related:5uSissKo6EgJ:scholar.google.com/&scioq=human+tool+use+body&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1 https://scholar.google.co.nz/scholar?q=related:5uSissKo6EgJ:...
- Gordonjcp 4y ago> The same shit happens when driving. In a broader sense, it never fails to amaze me that a kilo and a half of goopy cells that evolved to work out where the plants that won't kill you and where to trap rabbits in the next valley are - things that are, generally speaking, not much further than you can see - can visualise every step and turn of a journey of hundreds of miles, while being shoved through space at roughly 20 times normal walking speed, and do this for many different journeys *including ones we have not taken yet* but which happen to be in roughly the same direction as where we were a last week. Where I'm sitting it is a four hour drive to even get to England and yet I can clearly visualise where I'd go if I was driving around Bradford, another couple of hours further south. For that matter, it's not much more effort to visualise driving right to the south coast of England, working out where to get the ferry at Dover, and then how to drive right to Geneva from Dunkirk, and drive around there too. How do we do this with a brain that evolved to cope with a couple of miles of hills and forest? Is it because I can drive a car at 60mph and therefore cover twenty times the distance I can walk in roughly the same time, so it all just scales naturally? It's crazy, isn't it? You'll be thinking about this next time you drive.
- concordDance 4y agoIs twitter even dead atm?
- WalterBright 4y agoI use twitter all the time.
- andrepd 4y agoMy sympathies.
- Angostura 4y agoI'm just going to pop in tomorrow and replace your keyboard with a new Dvorak layout one. OK with you?
- nitrammm 4y agoThat's hardly comparable. The SwiftKey keyboard is still fully functional. Yes, you can tell it to integrate with Bing if you want and they removed a forum for feature requests. What is the big fuzz exactly?
- midoridensha 4y agoNot a problem for me, I can type on either at equal speed. The biggest problem is using vim. I will be impressed, though, if you can find (or make) Dvorak keycaps for my keyboard that match its current style.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4y agoFrom the Wikipedia page for SwiftKey: "In September 2022, Microsoft announced it was terminating support for the iOS version of SwiftKey. The app was removed from the App Store on October 5.[15] In November 2022, Microsoft announced a reversal of its decision to discontinue SwiftKey for iOS devices. The app was relisted on November 18, with Microsoft promising future updates for the app. The company cited "customer feedback" as a reason for SwiftKey's return.[16]" Assuming "customer feedback" is a euphemism for people complaining online then perhaps this is sometimes an effective strategy. These so-called "tech" companies often have no meaningfui Customer Service as they do not want to pay for it, but it seems they do pay people to monitor what is said about them online.
- tomaskafka 4y agoMy $10 says the cause for reversal wasn't "customer feedback", but LLM/LM part of Microsoft realizing that they just shut down the only system-wide text-based touchpoint Microsoft ever had on iOS, just as they want to start integrating Bing/LLM everywhere.
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- rvz 4y ago> People need to take a break. There you go. But we need to go a step further. They need to get off altogether rather than being terminally online or addicted to social media. In regards to this, it is very sad to see of all things, many on that site are throwing a tantrum.... ...over a keyboard. Perhaps the best solution to social media addiction is to leave altogether. The solution is not to jump from one platform to another, that just persists the outrage and the addiction.
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- iopq 4y agoOther than multiple hour downtimes, you mean? That's not quickly for one of the most-visited websites in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_websites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_websites Also, it seems Ukraine war topics are down-ranked so people don't see as much about it anymore
- tazjin 4y agoReddit is also on that list and has downtimes like that much more frequently than Twitter.
- iopq 4y agoYes, but Twitter used to be much more solid prior to you know, losing a lot of its work-force. Reddit, on the other hand, has improved since a few years ago
- tourmalinetaco 4y agoImproved is a very relative term, just so you know. Reddit has experienced over 10 hours of downtime just this past month. And, again, Reddit hasn’t had an 80% workforce cut (though it sorely needs it).
- Levitz 4y agoI don't think it's surprising for that to happen on the transition to a smaller workforce. Rather than that, I am frankly amazed that the site largely works after firing 80% of its workforce. It's staggering.
- nmeofthestate 4y agoI've honestly not noticed a worsening of twitter's availability since the previous guys stopped being in charge. Perhaps many of the removed jobs were in non-technical areas of content moderation.
- NavinF 4y agoYeah that was painful to read. I spend a good 15 hours a day on my PC but I can't imagine writing something like that about some website.
- werid 4y agounlike you, getting upset about people caring about something they use a lot? sounds very healthy.
- gman83 4y agoI don't use my phone keyboard much, but as a programmer my keyboard definitely feels like an extension of my body, one that literally allows me to get my work done. Many craftspeople care deeply about the tools they use. I can totally see how someone would feel similarly about something like this.
- mikub 4y agoOf course the keyboard is an important tool, but first of all, in this case it's not even a real keyboard, the second thing is how a lot of people constantly feel the need to behave like someone was hurting them if someone closes a bloody website. I mean, of course an keyboard can be an important tool for you, but feeling like an extension of your body is just overdramatic language, go to any construction site and ask the guys if they think their hammer or saw fells like an extension of their body, they probably look at you like you're from Mars. This whole techszene just likes to overdramtize things.
- eviks 4y agoDefinitely, people can start by staying offline and not complaining about people complaining
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- globular-toast 4y agoWhat are you proposing? Go off the grid? It's a bit difficult when your tech overlords are forcing you on to their platforms using any trick they can. Do you realise how difficult it is to not use a smartphone, especially for young people, these days? Or perhaps you just expect people to submit to their tech overlords and accept the tools they are allowed to use?
- runsonrum 4y agothe qoute is pretty extreme when you think about it. Don't get me wrong, as I can rationalize what is being said but on the other hand, it makes me want to go outside and enjoy some sunshine. On another note, I have just installed two alternative keyboards today to play around with. OpenBoard and AnySoftKeyboard both with some nice features.
- maven29 4y agoCar-dependent societies and a complete lack of third places will do that to you, with children being the hardest-hit.
- themitigating 4y agoThe person is commenting on this and twitter. That's not everything, they aren't everyone, and you don't know the amount of time they spend online. What you are doing is an overly simplistic deflection
- homero 4y agoI felt that way about Swype. Personally didn't like this one.
- Karawebnetwork 4y agoUsing Swiftkey since it's first release, it's more than being angry at online changes. The keyboard works in such a way that it learns your typing style and then understands what you type without the requirement for actually hitting the right keys. I can type "ky nt gromf koe stw uoi" and it will become "hi my friend how are you". This makes typing on a phone extremely fast. The problem is that other keyboards that claim to have similar features are not able to understand my typing gibberish. In essence, I and many other Swiftkey users have trained ourselves to no longer be able to use any other keyboard. Is this worth being mad over? In my opinion yes, a product loved by many being purchased by a big company who then close down support avenues is always a good reason to be mad.
- theknocker 4y ago[dead]
- zeraphy 4y agoAverage Mastodon user.
- bakugo 4y agoBeing terminally online and complaining about other people complaining is an even less healthy way of life, yet I keep seeing more and more of it as time goes by.
- musicale 4y agoI hope this forum was better than the typical "Welcome to the Microsoft Support Community! Thank you for your excellent question. As a Microsoft MVP (Mostly Vacuous Pinhead) I am more than happy to help with your problem. I am sure this will help: <useless copy-pasted non-solution> Should you need additional assistance, you may also wish to 1. Set fire to your PC 2. Give up on life Have a great day!"