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> I think what needs to be pointed out more than anything is that back in these times the scene around electronic music was a radical racial integrator. You had

> I think what needs to be pointed out more than anything is that back in these times the scene around electronic music was a radical racial integrator. You had skinheads, rastas, and football hooligan ultras all partying with each other instead of fighting. If techno was started in detroit, then in terms of origin stories, the above quote is completely disconnected. Yes, you had skinheads, rastas and football hooligan ultras all partying with each other, but that in the England, in the 90s, mostly after ecstasy arrived.

alisonatwork 4y ago
By all accounts ecstasy was reasonably widespread in the UK club scene by 1982 when Soft Cell's Non Stop Ecstatic Dancing was released. And the UK "summer of love" was 1987, Shoom opened in 1987, etc. You're not wrong that connecting the origin of techno to the UK club and rave scene diminishes the importance of Detroit, but the rave scene was well and truly massive before the 90s.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Wikipedia: > Although primarily referring to the summer of 1988 it lasted into the summer of 1989, when electronic dance music and the prevalence of the drug MDMA fuelled an explosion in youth culture culminating in mass free parties and the era of the rave. I was at clubs in London (both as a punter and as DJ) in 1980-83, and ecstasy, if a thing at all, was not widely available or used. Its use ballooned later than that. And it was 1994 before the UK government attempted to ban raves by banning a certain kind of music. I left the UK in 1989, and felt very disconnected from the rave scene that was happening at that time, but it is definitely my impression that it did not blow up into a truly massive scale till after 1990, though it was certainly alive and well at the end of the 80s.
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> I think what needs to be pointed out more than anything is that back in these times the scene around electronic music was a radical racial integrator. You had

by PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

alisonatwork 4y ago
By all accounts ecstasy was reasonably widespread in the UK club scene by 1982 when Soft Cell's Non Stop Ecstatic Dancing was released. And the UK "summer of love" was 1987, Shoom opened in 1987, etc. You're not wrong that connecting the origin of techno to the UK club and rave scene diminishes the importance of Detroit, but the rave scene was well and truly massive before the 90s.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Wikipedia: > Although primarily referring to the summer of 1988 it lasted into the summer of 1989, when electronic dance music and the prevalence of the drug MDMA fuelled an explosion in youth culture culminating in mass free parties and the era of the rave. I was at clubs in London (both as a punter and as DJ) in 1980-83, and ecstasy, if a thing at all, was not widely available or used. Its use ballooned later than that. And it was 1994 before the UK government attempted to ban raves by banning a certain kind of music. I left the UK in 1989, and felt very disconnected from the rave scene that was happening at that time, but it is definitely my impression that it did not blow up into a truly massive scale till after 1990, though it was certainly alive and well at the end of the 80s.
  - _2uwr 4y ago
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