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I kinda want to stir the pot on this when it comes to Jungle and Drum and Bass. I feel like rarely see anyone claiming its roots in Miami Bass, but it seems ob

by jrm4 4y ago

I kinda want to stir the pot on this when it comes to Jungle and Drum and Bass. I feel like rarely see anyone claiming its roots in Miami Bass, but it seems obvious to me, e.g. tracks like "I wanna rock" by Luke and more to the point, this original version of "Wiggle wiggle?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwW1aK1SC4g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwW1aK1SC4g

whstl 4y ago
This is 1992? I believe by the time of this tune, the double-speed Amen Break was already popular thanks to late Acid House and Breakbeat Hardcore. Even Prodigy had a tune with this beat around then (Charly I think). This is THE sound of 1992, even rock bands had this going on instead of normal drums... This is often considered the first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-PrF5yNNY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-PrF5yNNY Interestingly, the "Bass" of Drum n' Bass, more specificaly the "Reese Bass" sound, was invented by Kevin Saunderson of the Belleville Three. In early DnB, this is as iconic as the drums. In late-90s DnB this was even more prominent than the Amen Break, IMO.
jamal-kumar 4y ago
I think more dancehall reggae, specifically late 80s/early 90s "digital dancehall". Try checking the basslines on stuff like supa cat's album "don dada" [1] and tell me it's not pretty similar to early jungle you hear in artists from the jamaican diaspora such as dillinja [2]. Jungle came out of what was called hardcore in the early 90s and both of those genres are having quite a fun revival lately. People are going to the lengths of busting out old amigas to make this on and play live even. Oh there's a really good BBC documentary about this, I remember me and some friends watched it years ago and we were laughing about how they made dillinja dress like a total dork ass for the telly, at that point he was still living with his parents apparently haha. Cool shots of his DAW setup with an Atari ST running what looks like early cubase [3] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEgAVxtoHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEgAVxtoHI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7sDtA_zFWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7sDtA_zFWA [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyCyTo3mt4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyCyTo3mt4
evanelias 4y ago
I agree with the sibling commenters, it's definitely more dancehall. Listen to the 1991 album Reggae Owes Me Money [1] by Ragga Twins, produced by UK breakbeat hardcore pioneers Shut Up and Dance [2]. The album bounces between proto-jungle and dancehall quite a bit. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhUyWWTq6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhUyWWTq6Q [2] https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/28/shut-up-and-dance-the-hackney-rap-duo-who-raved-against-racism https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/28/shut-up-and-da...
atchoo 4y ago
I have to laugh yet kind of admire such a silly suggestion :) A commonly first claimed Jungle track is Lennie De Ice, We Are I.E. recorded 89 released 91. Sampling the Amen Break was common in breakbeat / rave but it became Jungle when it got that dub bassline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAtuQR-w-Jw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAtuQR-w-Jw

by jrm4 4y ago

whstl 4y ago

This is 1992? I believe by the time of this tune, the double-speed Amen Break was already popular thanks to late Acid House and Breakbeat Hardcore. Even Prodigy had a tune with this beat around then (Charly I think). This is THE sound of 1992, even rock bands had this going on instead of normal drums... This is often considered the first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-PrF5yNNY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl-PrF5yNNY Interestingly, the "Bass" of Drum n' Bass, more specificaly the "Reese Bass" sound, was invented by Kevin Saunderson of the Belleville Three. In early DnB, this is as iconic as the drums. In late-90s DnB this was even more prominent than the Amen Break, IMO.

jamal-kumar 4y ago

I think more dancehall reggae, specifically late 80s/early 90s "digital dancehall". Try checking the basslines on stuff like supa cat's album "don dada" [1] and tell me it's not pretty similar to early jungle you hear in artists from the jamaican diaspora such as dillinja [2]. Jungle came out of what was called hardcore in the early 90s and both of those genres are having quite a fun revival lately. People are going to the lengths of busting out old amigas to make this on and play live even. Oh there's a really good BBC documentary about this, I remember me and some friends watched it years ago and we were laughing about how they made dillinja dress like a total dork ass for the telly, at that point he was still living with his parents apparently haha. Cool shots of his DAW setup with an Atari ST running what looks like early cubase [3] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEgAVxtoHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEgAVxtoHI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7sDtA_zFWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7sDtA_zFWA [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyCyTo3mt4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQyCyTo3mt4

evanelias 4y ago

I agree with the sibling commenters, it's definitely more dancehall. Listen to the 1991 album Reggae Owes Me Money [1] by Ragga Twins, produced by UK breakbeat hardcore pioneers Shut Up and Dance [2]. The album bounces between proto-jungle and dancehall quite a bit. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhUyWWTq6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhUyWWTq6Q [2] https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/28/shut-up-and-dance-the-hackney-rap-duo-who-raved-against-racism https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/oct/28/shut-up-and-da...

atchoo 4y ago

I have to laugh yet kind of admire such a silly suggestion :) A commonly first claimed Jungle track is Lennie De Ice, We Are I.E. recorded 89 released 91. Sampling the Amen Break was common in breakbeat / rave but it became Jungle when it got that dub bassline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAtuQR-w-Jw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAtuQR-w-Jw