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I always get confused with these things of "who did it first"? The cats from Detroit were certainly influenced by Kraftwerk. People from Detroit always accuse
by boredemployee 4y ago
I always get confused with these things of "who did it first"?
The cats from Detroit were certainly influenced by Kraftwerk. People from Detroit always accuse white Europeans of cultural appropriation.
But you don't see them pointing fingers at themselves when they go to countries where the dollar is worth a lot of money, buy all the local records and take them home to sample and make hip-hop or house music and with that make a lot of money.
For example, an underground house music duo called "Detroit Swindle" changed their stage name under pressure from Detroit artists.
A famous German DJ, who used the name "Motor City Drum Ensemble," also felt pressured and no longer uses that name, but he had an "odd" argument: he's from Stuttgart, also known as a "Motor City"
But people from Detroit didn't buy that argument. Anyway, all of this is egoistic and elitist nonsense from either side you look at it. If you look closely, couldn't the inventor of drum machines claim to be the inventor of techno, then? What about the inventor of TB303?
- alisonatwork 4y agoI have started to think egoistic and elitist nonsense is part of techno's intangible cultural heritage.
- ChancyChance 4y agoLooped music came from Robert Fripp which came from Steven Reich which came from Daphne Orem which came from Edwin Votey which came from ... But if you think about it, who was the first to serve the new music to a large audience and have it documented and then commoditize it is where i think the notion of "first" really comes from. It's like trying define the exact day that Boomers became Gen-X in the US: broad strokes make sense, but resolution is only so fine.
- TylerE 4y agoFripp got it from Eno, when they did the Pussyfooting album together in the very early 70s.
- ChancyChance 4y agoOh, right, I had remembered it backwards, and I didn't realize Eno got it from Riley and Oliveros! I guess my chain of provenance is missing a few. Of course, in the hands of any creative musician, I think it would only take a week or so before they thought about making a tape loop on a reel-to-reel recorder. https://happymag.tv/frippertronics/ https://happymag.tv/frippertronics/: "In September of 1972, the pair met in Eno’s London home studio, where he had set up a tape system developed by avant-garde composers Terry Riley and Pauline Oliveros."
- Haga 4y ago[dead]
- atchoo 4y agoI dislike the linearity of your lineage. Misses out the kind of obvious ones like e.g. The Beatles looping tapes and building on Musique Concrète. > Of course, in the hands of any creative musician, I think it would only take a week Pretty much! Musique Concrète basically starts with the invention of magnetic tape. Electronic music itself basically starts with the vacuum tube. Humans just really like making new sounds and music. If we invent any new tech that makes an odd noise, there will be a bunch of stoned grad students jamming with it later that day.
- ChancyChance 4y agoYeah my lineage was sort of a quickie to make a rough point, not be a well researched history. Not sure why your text is gray, though!