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> You keep bringing it back to personal civil liberty because you don't have an answer to the question "So why is more government oversight of corporations bad?

> You keep bringing it back to personal civil liberty because you don't have an answer to the question "So why is more government oversight of corporations bad?" I just gave you a real example of where corporate oversight leads to giving the government access to your personal communications. > I actually have no problem with such a subpoena being attempted (it is part of the regular process of investigating a crime), but I have a problem with a court rubber-stamping it. Have you not been paying attention to what the government has been doing in the name of the War on Drugs, the War on Crime and the War on Terrorism? > Fascism is a political movement emphasizing extreme nationalism Have you not been paying attention to what’s been happening since 2016? > A healthy democracy reigns in the excesses of an unfettered corporate sector Exactly what power are you afraid that Google can have over you compared to the government?

shadowgovt 4y ago
> Exactly what power are you afraid that Google can have over you compared to the government? There were an awful lot of people concerned about the time they colluded to depress wages (https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jobs-settlement-20150903-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jo...). And the people they fired to break unions (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55173063 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55173063). And they're currently under investigation for monopolizing digital ad tech (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-google-monopolizing-digital-advertising-technologies https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl...). Let's assume, ad argumento, that they have monopolized digital ad tech, meaning other digital advertisers are excluded and almost all the ads you see are single-source. Gosh, it sure would suck if fascists gained control of that single source, wouldn't it? And as we've seen, we can't trust that won't happen just because they nailed up "Don't be evil" above the door (and then it fell off later). We should probably enforce the laws that are in place to keep a market diverse and healthy. ... I think I see your position though. You're concerned, given current political climate, that increased government oversight could give fascists more power. I echo that concern... Except that I believe we got here because fascists recognized that nobody was watching the tech henhouse and weaponized that. We had an awful lot of tech firms thinking they were bigger than political concerns and should be a world apart from government oversight right up until they realized they aided and abetted those who organized Jan 6th, then... Oops.

shadowgovt 4y ago

> Exactly what power are you afraid that Google can have over you compared to the government? There were an awful lot of people concerned about the time they colluded to depress wages (https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jobs-settlement-20150903-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tech-jo...). And the people they fired to break unions (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55173063 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55173063). And they're currently under investigation for monopolizing digital ad tech (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-google-monopolizing-digital-advertising-technologies https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl...). Let's assume, ad argumento, that they have monopolized digital ad tech, meaning other digital advertisers are excluded and almost all the ads you see are single-source. Gosh, it sure would suck if fascists gained control of that single source, wouldn't it? And as we've seen, we can't trust that won't happen just because they nailed up "Don't be evil" above the door (and then it fell off later). We should probably enforce the laws that are in place to keep a market diverse and healthy. ... I think I see your position though. You're concerned, given current political climate, that increased government oversight could give fascists more power. I echo that concern... Except that I believe we got here because fascists recognized that nobody was watching the tech henhouse and weaponized that. We had an awful lot of tech firms thinking they were bigger than political concerns and should be a world apart from government oversight right up until they realized they aided and abetted those who organized Jan 6th, then... Oops.