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mortgage slavery is the common thread for some reason this motivates people. primordial need for land ownership. the call of the feudalism. engine runs out of
by zzzzzzzza 3y ago
mortgage slavery is the common thread
for some reason this motivates people. primordial need for land ownership. the call of the feudalism.
engine runs out of steam once the growing cabal of landlords eat the last marginal production in excess of rate of interest
america has more land relative to its population so takes longer to nimbify it all
- __pache__ 3y agoWhy? Seems to me owning what you create is the key, instead of having it ripped from your hands.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y agoAs if you can cleanly define "what you create". Or "you". Or "create". Back to the philosophy playpen, John G.
- __pache__ 3y agoI mean, yeah? Markets are great at finding how much something is worth. uhhhh Want to give some examples?
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y agoNo examples needed. You can't adequately define "what you create", because nobody can. Where does your contribution begin, and end? Where does the contribution of your parents, your neighbors, your friends, your society begin, and end? To what extent did you create anything, or was it just a remix? Is everything a remix? Who are you? You have a unified, continuous sense of self, but most contemporary psychology finds it fairly easy to take people through processes that break this down (as do a number of psychedelics). We don't need simplistic randian objectivism - it fails to describe the nuance, the beauty, the depth, the wonder, the complexity and the truth of reality.
- WalterBright 3y agoIf it wouldn't exist without your efforts, then you created it. There's no mystery to it. People freely willing to pay for it with their own money is sufficient evidence.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y agoBut if it wouldn't exist without other's people efforts too, then what? And they may be people you don't know. They may be people who are dead. "paying with their own money" ... ack, not this simplistic nonsense again. People temporarily gain control over some measure of various economic resources. It's not their own money, beyond some temporary mutual agreement. Tomorrow, it may not be. Also, people pay for things regardless of the creator or the morality of its creation. Their willingness to pay for something speaks to their relationship with the thing, not that of the thing's nominal "creator".
- elefanten 3y agoYou’re mixing different levels of abstraction and equivocating across them. Sure, no human could produce anything modern on their own, without knowledge, training, support, materials, products, labor, etc. that comes from others. A child raised by wolves will never launch a new line of tennis shoes. At the same time, no complex effort comes to be without someone’s motivation and effort to take the risk, coordinate the activity and see it through. It doesn’t have to be one primary person to do so, but it certainly can be. It is not difficult to look at the history of a given project and conclude who most acutely put it into motion. The choice to incentivize this acute influence has trade-offs, but many different societies across history have tried many variations of what / where to incentivize. Abstracted, that’s one of the main points being discussed here. That doesn’t mean all stories about who started / created / produced something are told accurately. But to throw your hands up and say “everything comes from everyone” is completely useless when designing society with the goal of solving problems, providing for its members and improving the human condition.
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- WalterBright 3y ago> more land So does S. America, which has never been prosperous.
- zzzzzzzza 3y agoargentina and venezuela have gone through periods of prosperity. Rule of law is too unstable for the system to get off the ground. Also political intervention by foreign actors, resource curse.