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The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution)" or if you're a bit more cynical "

The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution)" or if you're a bit more cynical "hey our government kinda sucks, I'ma start working on getting citizenship/a visa somewhere else". Not "hey we should live in magical fairyland where nobody collectively organizes anything but I still get to live almost exactly as I do now". (Also potentially workable: "hey our government kinda sucks, I'm going to go and live on a commune with a small enough number of people that we can actually coexist based on general kindness and goodwill")

logicchains 4y ago
>The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution That's not a sane reaction; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The military industrial complex is not going to be killed through the democratic process, because it owns both sides.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  Let’s not conflate America’s “democratic process” with the democratic process. Your silly FPTP voting system is barely the tip of the iceberg.
- elcritch 4y ago
  The underlying philosophy embedded in your statement is part of the issue in America in recent years: people have become apathetic. A representative government isn't a one time and you're done deal. It requires lots of people to genuinely put time and effort into it. Multiple times in the US'es history we've had even more greed, corruption, poverty, etc, but protests and social movements helped reset the needle. Things like normalizing 8 hour work shifts had to be fought for. Currently both major parties get away with a lot of what they do because most of us don't participate and force both sides to answer questions and be accountable. Like, I think pushing for non-winner takes all voting at some levels would be good. But I don't goto local party events or involve myself, so I can't complain too much.
carlosjobim 4y ago
The sane reaction is to stop paying taxes.

logicchains 4y ago

>The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution That's not a sane reaction; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The military industrial complex is not going to be killed through the democratic process, because it owns both sides.

KyeRussell 4y ago
Let’s not conflate America’s “democratic process” with the democratic process. Your silly FPTP voting system is barely the tip of the iceberg.
elcritch 4y ago
The underlying philosophy embedded in your statement is part of the issue in America in recent years: people have become apathetic. A representative government isn't a one time and you're done deal. It requires lots of people to genuinely put time and effort into it. Multiple times in the US'es history we've had even more greed, corruption, poverty, etc, but protests and social movements helped reset the needle. Things like normalizing 8 hour work shifts had to be fought for. Currently both major parties get away with a lot of what they do because most of us don't participate and force both sides to answer questions and be accountable. Like, I think pushing for non-winner takes all voting at some levels would be good. But I don't goto local party events or involve myself, so I can't complain too much.

carlosjobim 4y ago

The sane reaction is to stop paying taxes.