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How long until they start burning through $1 trillion a year on military airplanes that don't work?

p1necone 4y ago
The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution)" or if you're a bit more cynical "hey our government kinda sucks, I'ma start working on getting citizenship/a visa somewhere else". Not "hey we should live in magical fairyland where nobody collectively organizes anything but I still get to live almost exactly as I do now". (Also potentially workable: "hey our government kinda sucks, I'm going to go and live on a commune with a small enough number of people that we can actually coexist based on general kindness and goodwill")
- logicchains 4y ago
  >The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution That's not a sane reaction; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The military industrial complex is not going to be killed through the democratic process, because it owns both sides.
  - KyeRussell 4y ago
    Let’s not conflate America’s “democratic process” with the democratic process. Your silly FPTP voting system is barely the tip of the iceberg.
  - elcritch 4y ago
    The underlying philosophy embedded in your statement is part of the issue in America in recent years: people have become apathetic. A representative government isn't a one time and you're done deal. It requires lots of people to genuinely put time and effort into it. Multiple times in the US'es history we've had even more greed, corruption, poverty, etc, but protests and social movements helped reset the needle. Things like normalizing 8 hour work shifts had to be fought for. Currently both major parties get away with a lot of what they do because most of us don't participate and force both sides to answer questions and be accountable. Like, I think pushing for non-winner takes all voting at some levels would be good. But I don't goto local party events or involve myself, so I can't complain too much.
- carlosjobim 4y ago
  The sane reaction is to stop paying taxes.
B1FF_PSUVM 4y ago
The airplanes work perfectly fine - at least as wealth management ...
registeredcorn 4y ago
If you're referring to the F35, I encourage you to look at the evidence about it. LazerPig [1] does a great job in presenting some of the hair brained ideas of reformers [2]. I used to be firmly in the reformist camp until I actually examined the evidence. The A-10C for example, has one of the highest rates of friendly fire, affecting both US [3] and British [4] servicemen. Using binoculars is not a great way of navigating an aircraft. I'd also ask you to consider: Is it better to make an affordable aircraft, if it means the pilots flying it are more likely to die? There's more than enough avenues which can be done to reign in Military overspending. No one is denying that the Military overspends on many things. It's a serious problem. Generally though, targeting the machines keeping people from crashing into the ground is not the one to aim at. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8o9DIIXqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8o9DIIXqI [2] https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0208reformers/ https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0208reformers/ [3] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/ https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06... [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnyVioLJbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnyVioLJbs Edit: I think this comment sounded a bit rude the first way I worded it. Hopefully it doesn't now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution)" or if you're a bit more cynical "hey our government kinda sucks, I'ma start working on getting citizenship/a visa somewhere else". Not "hey we should live in magical fairyland where nobody collectively organizes anything but I still get to live almost exactly as I do now". (Also potentially workable: "hey our government kinda sucks, I'm going to go and live on a commune with a small enough number of people that we can actually coexist based on general kindness and goodwill")

logicchains 4y ago
>The sane reaction to that is "hey our government kinda sucks, we should change it via (voting/protesting/a coup/a revolution That's not a sane reaction; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The military industrial complex is not going to be killed through the democratic process, because it owns both sides.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  Let’s not conflate America’s “democratic process” with the democratic process. Your silly FPTP voting system is barely the tip of the iceberg.
- elcritch 4y ago
  The underlying philosophy embedded in your statement is part of the issue in America in recent years: people have become apathetic. A representative government isn't a one time and you're done deal. It requires lots of people to genuinely put time and effort into it. Multiple times in the US'es history we've had even more greed, corruption, poverty, etc, but protests and social movements helped reset the needle. Things like normalizing 8 hour work shifts had to be fought for. Currently both major parties get away with a lot of what they do because most of us don't participate and force both sides to answer questions and be accountable. Like, I think pushing for non-winner takes all voting at some levels would be good. But I don't goto local party events or involve myself, so I can't complain too much.
carlosjobim 4y ago
The sane reaction is to stop paying taxes.

B1FF_PSUVM 4y ago

The airplanes work perfectly fine - at least as wealth management ...

registeredcorn 4y ago

If you're referring to the F35, I encourage you to look at the evidence about it. LazerPig [1] does a great job in presenting some of the hair brained ideas of reformers [2]. I used to be firmly in the reformist camp until I actually examined the evidence. The A-10C for example, has one of the highest rates of friendly fire, affecting both US [3] and British [4] servicemen. Using binoculars is not a great way of navigating an aircraft. I'd also ask you to consider: Is it better to make an affordable aircraft, if it means the pilots flying it are more likely to die? There's more than enough avenues which can be done to reign in Military overspending. No one is denying that the Military overspends on many things. It's a serious problem. Generally though, targeting the machines keeping people from crashing into the ground is not the one to aim at. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8o9DIIXqI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8o9DIIXqI [2] https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0208reformers/ https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0208reformers/ [3] https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/ https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06... [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnyVioLJbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMnyVioLJbs Edit: I think this comment sounded a bit rude the first way I worded it. Hopefully it doesn't now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯