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GPT-4 Week 4. The rise of Agents and the beginning of the Simulation era

52 points by itsuka 3y ago

ChatGTP 3y ago
People are already playing around with adding AI bots in games. A preview of whats to come [Link] Ok
ipaddr 3y ago
A lot of things people are doing. I can't help think how boring it all is. Is there anything interesting being solved?
- anony23 3y ago
  I don't know how you can read this list and find it boring.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    What jumps out for you personally?
    - nosmokewhereiam 3y ago
      A verbal calculator for one. I need to shout equations across the room and hear an answer. My hands are always covered in cannabis oil. If it spoke like this one, bonus points: +16507299536* *I believe it's accent is set to millennial.
      - mwint 3y ago
        I don't know why you're being downvoted, I think this phone service is amazing and I'm saving it to my contacts. I now wish to find a bunch of them with different 'accents'.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - dunefox 3y ago
        That's just a calculator with extra steps. I don't find it terribly exciting in the 'age of ai'.
        arroz 3y ago
        I think they were kidding. I found it funny at least.
- cardosof 3y ago
  I also have this feeling of "everyone is doing the same thing, a GUI for chatgpt with some prepared prompts". The thing is, it's too risky and too soon for bigger issues to be tackled. It will take quite some time before LLMs provide medical and financial advice, if they ever will.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    There are organizations working behind the scenes doing just that. https://twitter.com/ai__pub/status/1644735555752853504 https://twitter.com/ai__pub/status/1644735555752853504 Take the gpt-4 based law ai, harvey for instance. I doubt many people know about what they're up to at the moment but they already have deals signed with some of the biggest law firms on earth with revenue quickly growing. now realize that 4 isn't any worse in medicine than it is in law. this stuff is far closer than people think. The hard perhaps uncomfortable truth is that GPT-4 is already proficient enough in several fields to bounce ideas off of as a colleague/equal.
    - euroderf 3y ago
      Will there be a public defender version of Harvey ? No ? Well. Just as I suspected.
      - lucubratory 3y ago
        Why is that something to hold against LLMs? They're making a ton of progress and will probably significantly improve the productivity of e.g. paralegals. The fact they're not legal persons and our rules against unauthorised practice of law mean they're not going to be in courtrooms any time soon even if hypothetically they were twice as good as defense attorney work (they aren't, right now). A technology can be really impressive and indeed revolutionary without making literally every job redundant. That seems like an absurdly high bar to hold anything to.
        euroderf 3y ago
        Yeah but... the law is already weaponised against the underclass. I'd like to think that A.I. could change this but somehow I doubt it. "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
- SilverBirch 3y ago
  Yeah, it's kind of ironic that there's all this concern that LLMs will automate content to an extent that there'll be an unfathomable amount of text material on the internet that it'll be impossible to distinguish but in a way... it kind of already happened with crypto. There emerged a class of people who were financially incentivized to just constantly pump out bullshit about crypto- fake projects, fake coins, fake nfts, fake metaverses, all this crud, and because there was nothing underlying it it just raised the noise floor incredibly. Well now crypto is mostly dead and those same people have moved onto noisily bullshitting about AI. There's genuinely some amazing stuff happening, but it's being damaged by a class of morons who want to run to the front of the crowd and shout "follow me!". The important thing is to just focus on the level-headed reporting of what's really going on - places like Hard Fork, TechMeme, and Pivot are doing great thoughtful reporting on what actually matters. It's amazing to see the contrast between All-In's hosts frothily making absurdly overstated claims based on some research paper that was just published, and then you hear about the same research from actual tech reporters and guess what... you get to actually find out about the research was and what they found rather than hear some no-knowthing gleefully spew about how he's going to make the entire middle class unemployed and sit on his pile of money like a fictional dragon.
- lm28469 3y ago
  The only thing being solved is the reddit OP getting paid, they're overhyping everything and plays on FOMO so that you subscribe to their newsletter > I'm kinda sad I wrote about like 3-4 of these stories in detailed in my newsletter on thursday but most won't read it because it's part of the paid sub
QuadrupleA 3y ago
Does anyone have an example of agents like AutoGPT doing something useful? Everything I've seen seems to be stuff that GPT could do anyway without the agent cruft. And iterating seems to multiply the opportunities for LLM bugs and mistakes. The hype seems to be that agents are an emerging form of AGI, but the fine print is always "it's not quite ready for production yet, it makes a lot of mistakes, I had to fix 20 things in the output, but it's fun to watch and I'm sure once we work the bugs out..."
- jasfi 3y ago
  The intention is for them to do things that are more like projects. E.g. build a website or even a business (e.g. an ecommerce shop with marketing, etc). AutoGPT and BabyAGI are only a few weeks old, so they need time to build. So they are being criticized too early in my opinion.
  - saurik 3y ago
    They are also being hyped too early. It is 100% fair--hell: I'd even say, more correct--to criticize something for what it is, instead of trying to predict what it might one day become. If the stuff gets better, it can come back around then and soak up its deserved praise. (Though--and this is an unrelated issue--in the case of some of this AGI work, if it actually works we are probably going to collectively wish it hadn't been built, as no good is going to come from rapidly empowering an AI to become in any way autonomous, even momentarily.)
    - jasfi 3y ago
      I think a lot of the hype is because it's close, but not quite usable. Nobody's really sure what the weak points or limitations are. This sort of dev isn't easily slowed or stopped, it's Open Source except for GPT-4. Even the Open Source LLMs are getting there.
      - ratg13 3y ago
        Right but all you have to do is learn to engineer prompts better. You should be able to start with a fresh session and feed it what you need to get the result you want. If you’re always relying on the entire history of your sporadic conversations you’re often going to get a mess. IMO these “improvements” are just crutches for people that don’t want to understand AIs, and want to see them as they are portrayed in movies. It’s an attempt to make them seem intelligent, but it’s just a gimmick, not a tool.

52 points by itsuka 3y ago

ChatGTP 3y ago

People are already playing around with adding AI bots in games. A preview of whats to come [Link] Ok

ipaddr 3y ago

A lot of things people are doing. I can't help think how boring it all is. Is there anything interesting being solved?

anony23 3y ago
I don't know how you can read this list and find it boring.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  What jumps out for you personally?
  - nosmokewhereiam 3y ago
    A verbal calculator for one. I need to shout equations across the room and hear an answer. My hands are always covered in cannabis oil. If it spoke like this one, bonus points: +16507299536* *I believe it's accent is set to millennial.
    - mwint 3y ago
      I don't know why you're being downvoted, I think this phone service is amazing and I'm saving it to my contacts. I now wish to find a bunch of them with different 'accents'.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - dunefox 3y ago
      That's just a calculator with extra steps. I don't find it terribly exciting in the 'age of ai'.
      - arroz 3y ago
        I think they were kidding. I found it funny at least.
cardosof 3y ago
I also have this feeling of "everyone is doing the same thing, a GUI for chatgpt with some prepared prompts". The thing is, it's too risky and too soon for bigger issues to be tackled. It will take quite some time before LLMs provide medical and financial advice, if they ever will.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  There are organizations working behind the scenes doing just that. https://twitter.com/ai__pub/status/1644735555752853504 https://twitter.com/ai__pub/status/1644735555752853504 Take the gpt-4 based law ai, harvey for instance. I doubt many people know about what they're up to at the moment but they already have deals signed with some of the biggest law firms on earth with revenue quickly growing. now realize that 4 isn't any worse in medicine than it is in law. this stuff is far closer than people think. The hard perhaps uncomfortable truth is that GPT-4 is already proficient enough in several fields to bounce ideas off of as a colleague/equal.
  - euroderf 3y ago
    Will there be a public defender version of Harvey ? No ? Well. Just as I suspected.
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      Why is that something to hold against LLMs? They're making a ton of progress and will probably significantly improve the productivity of e.g. paralegals. The fact they're not legal persons and our rules against unauthorised practice of law mean they're not going to be in courtrooms any time soon even if hypothetically they were twice as good as defense attorney work (they aren't, right now). A technology can be really impressive and indeed revolutionary without making literally every job redundant. That seems like an absurdly high bar to hold anything to.
      - euroderf 3y ago
        Yeah but... the law is already weaponised against the underclass. I'd like to think that A.I. could change this but somehow I doubt it. "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
SilverBirch 3y ago
Yeah, it's kind of ironic that there's all this concern that LLMs will automate content to an extent that there'll be an unfathomable amount of text material on the internet that it'll be impossible to distinguish but in a way... it kind of already happened with crypto. There emerged a class of people who were financially incentivized to just constantly pump out bullshit about crypto- fake projects, fake coins, fake nfts, fake metaverses, all this crud, and because there was nothing underlying it it just raised the noise floor incredibly. Well now crypto is mostly dead and those same people have moved onto noisily bullshitting about AI. There's genuinely some amazing stuff happening, but it's being damaged by a class of morons who want to run to the front of the crowd and shout "follow me!". The important thing is to just focus on the level-headed reporting of what's really going on - places like Hard Fork, TechMeme, and Pivot are doing great thoughtful reporting on what actually matters. It's amazing to see the contrast between All-In's hosts frothily making absurdly overstated claims based on some research paper that was just published, and then you hear about the same research from actual tech reporters and guess what... you get to actually find out about the research was and what they found rather than hear some no-knowthing gleefully spew about how he's going to make the entire middle class unemployed and sit on his pile of money like a fictional dragon.
lm28469 3y ago
The only thing being solved is the reddit OP getting paid, they're overhyping everything and plays on FOMO so that you subscribe to their newsletter > I'm kinda sad I wrote about like 3-4 of these stories in detailed in my newsletter on thursday but most won't read it because it's part of the paid sub

QuadrupleA 3y ago

Does anyone have an example of agents like AutoGPT doing something useful? Everything I've seen seems to be stuff that GPT could do anyway without the agent cruft. And iterating seems to multiply the opportunities for LLM bugs and mistakes. The hype seems to be that agents are an emerging form of AGI, but the fine print is always "it's not quite ready for production yet, it makes a lot of mistakes, I had to fix 20 things in the output, but it's fun to watch and I'm sure once we work the bugs out..."

jasfi 3y ago
The intention is for them to do things that are more like projects. E.g. build a website or even a business (e.g. an ecommerce shop with marketing, etc). AutoGPT and BabyAGI are only a few weeks old, so they need time to build. So they are being criticized too early in my opinion.
- saurik 3y ago
  They are also being hyped too early. It is 100% fair--hell: I'd even say, more correct--to criticize something for what it is, instead of trying to predict what it might one day become. If the stuff gets better, it can come back around then and soak up its deserved praise. (Though--and this is an unrelated issue--in the case of some of this AGI work, if it actually works we are probably going to collectively wish it hadn't been built, as no good is going to come from rapidly empowering an AI to become in any way autonomous, even momentarily.)
  - jasfi 3y ago
    I think a lot of the hype is because it's close, but not quite usable. Nobody's really sure what the weak points or limitations are. This sort of dev isn't easily slowed or stopped, it's Open Source except for GPT-4. Even the Open Source LLMs are getting there.
    - ratg13 3y ago
      Right but all you have to do is learn to engineer prompts better. You should be able to start with a fresh session and feed it what you need to get the result you want. If you’re always relying on the entire history of your sporadic conversations you’re often going to get a mess. IMO these “improvements” are just crutches for people that don’t want to understand AIs, and want to see them as they are portrayed in movies. It’s an attempt to make them seem intelligent, but it’s just a gimmick, not a tool.