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We have much lower prices for electric power than our neighbour france. They are using mostly nuclear power and have every winter problems, because more power i

by stop50 4y ago

We have much lower prices for electric power than our neighbour france. They are using mostly nuclear power and have every winter problems, because more power is used that generated. Their reactors are also security risks where you need a book to cover them all. An french three-mile island can happen any time

skywal_l 4y ago
> and have every winter problems No they don't. They had a problem this year (and will for probably a few years). For the past decades, France has been a net exporter [0]. > An french three-mile island can happen any time And a climate crisis is happening now and thousand of people die of respiratory disease every year. The problem is not as simple as you make it sound. [0] https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/France/electricity_exports/ https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/France/electricity_exports/
qwytw 4y ago
> We have much lower prices for electric power than our neighbour france Negative externalities from burning coal are pretty significant*. Of course it depends on the value you place on a human life. https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/23-000-early-deaths-in-eu-from-coal-plant-pollution/#:~:text=Almost%2023%2C000%20early%20deaths%20happen,says%20a%20groundbreaking%20new%20report https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/23-00.... > An french three-mile island can happen any time As long as the likelihood of that remains substantially low it's not a huge issue. I mean the cost would be almost entirely financial since nobody died because of it (the same obviously can't be said about burning coal or even natural gas...).
Kretinsky 4y ago
Sorry, but that's false: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... 2022, for households, on average: Germany 0.32€/kwh France 0.20€/Kwh The spread was much tighter before. Because "renewables"* are unreliable and needed gas plants to make up for when the wind doesn't blow, or the sun doesn't shine, price spiked up after the Ukraine war started. They wouldn't have had this problem with nuclear. French woes are mainly linked to an aging infrastructure and delayed maintenance due to Covid-19. Ah, and fun fact, did you know that coal emits more radioactivity per kwh than nuclear? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-... The German's foreign affairs office was funding the Henrich Boll fundation, which campaigns in France for renewables along with the anti-nuclear movement? https://archive.is/tSY2w#selection-1357.95-1357.108 https://archive.is/tSY2w#selection-1357.95-1357.108 The renewable sector is for from being "clean", there are many cases of corruption, influences, and vested interests behind the main proponents of this solution. Gazprom funded antinuclear movements in Europe. Many "fundations", acting for the fossil fuel industry, fund the movements that suit their agenda. https://twitter.com/GeWoessner/status/1498411537144463360 https://twitter.com/GeWoessner/status/1498411537144463360 As we saw since the start of 2022, this bet has paid handsomely. EU citizens will have to deal with pollution, increased electricity prices, and wind turbines impossible to recycle. One could also go on about how China killed the EU solar panels industry by handing out unlimited subsidies. The EU was so slow to act that when they started to tax chinese panels, it was too late already. The funniest thing being that those panels are made using coal power, so it's likely that solar panels from China are worse than their alternatives. Just like electric cars in Eastern Europe emit more CO2 than thermic due to the widespread use of the worst kind of coal there to produce electricity. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map

by stop50 4y ago

skywal_l 4y ago

> and have every winter problems No they don't. They had a problem this year (and will for probably a few years). For the past decades, France has been a net exporter [0]. > An french three-mile island can happen any time And a climate crisis is happening now and thousand of people die of respiratory disease every year. The problem is not as simple as you make it sound. [0] https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/France/electricity_exports/ https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/France/electricity_exports/

qwytw 4y ago

> We have much lower prices for electric power than our neighbour france Negative externalities from burning coal are pretty significant*. Of course it depends on the value you place on a human life. https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/23-000-early-deaths-in-eu-from-coal-plant-pollution/#:~:text=Almost%2023%2C000%20early%20deaths%20happen,says%20a%20groundbreaking%20new%20report https://www.clientearth.org/latest/latest-updates/news/23-00.... > An french three-mile island can happen any time As long as the likelihood of that remains substantially low it's not a huge issue. I mean the cost would be almost entirely financial since nobody died because of it (the same obviously can't be said about burning coal or even natural gas...).

Kretinsky 4y ago

Sorry, but that's false: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... 2022, for households, on average: Germany 0.32€/kwh France 0.20€/Kwh The spread was much tighter before. Because "renewables"* are unreliable and needed gas plants to make up for when the wind doesn't blow, or the sun doesn't shine, price spiked up after the Ukraine war started. They wouldn't have had this problem with nuclear. French woes are mainly linked to an aging infrastructure and delayed maintenance due to Covid-19. Ah, and fun fact, did you know that coal emits more radioactivity per kwh than nuclear? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-... The German's foreign affairs office was funding the Henrich Boll fundation, which campaigns in France for renewables along with the anti-nuclear movement? https://archive.is/tSY2w#selection-1357.95-1357.108 https://archive.is/tSY2w#selection-1357.95-1357.108 The renewable sector is for from being "clean", there are many cases of corruption, influences, and vested interests behind the main proponents of this solution. Gazprom funded antinuclear movements in Europe. Many "fundations", acting for the fossil fuel industry, fund the movements that suit their agenda. https://twitter.com/GeWoessner/status/1498411537144463360 https://twitter.com/GeWoessner/status/1498411537144463360 As we saw since the start of 2022, this bet has paid handsomely. EU citizens will have to deal with pollution, increased electricity prices, and wind turbines impossible to recycle. One could also go on about how China killed the EU solar panels industry by handing out unlimited subsidies. The EU was so slow to act that when they started to tax chinese panels, it was too late already. The funniest thing being that those panels are made using coal power, so it's likely that solar panels from China are worse than their alternatives. Just like electric cars in Eastern Europe emit more CO2 than thermic due to the widespread use of the worst kind of coal there to produce electricity. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map