4 ms·

How should there be deindustrialization in any sector when nuclear provided between 3 and 6% to the whole mix? This is a ridiculous claim. Edit: Source https:

How should there be deindustrialization in any sector when nuclear provided between 3 and 6% to the whole mix? This is a ridiculous claim. Edit: Source https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ...

option 4y ago
there will be no growth. No growth => no investment which will lead to stagnation. Contrast this with what Finland is doing. Finland is going to be one of the leading European nations in 20 years.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  Why should there be no growth? Do you have ANY facts on that because the facts out there, especially the already ongoing actual growth on renewables, show the exact opposite? Where do you even get the Finland story from? It's not like having (finally) a new nuclear reactor running makes them some kind of unicorn. Again: please deliver facts. Sources. Anything besides those preachings from Shellenbergers Astro-Turf.
- hackandthink 4y ago
  Olkiluoto 3 is not exactly a success story. 1600 MW for 11 billion Euro is a bad deal. "Nuclear reactor Olkiluoto 3 has gone online in Finland some 12 years behind schedule and on a massively inflated budget." https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-much-delayed-nuclear-plant-launches/a-61108015 https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-much-delayed-nuclear-plant-la...
qwytw 4y ago
> provided between 3 and 6% to the whole mix providES. It used to be around 25% back in 2000 and was still above 10% untill very recently... > This is a ridiculous claim. Well... I'm sorry, but you seem to be an expert on those.
- Krasnol 4y ago
  > providES PovidED. You even admit it in the following sentence... > It used to be around 25% back in 2000 And people where spreading the same fake news and fear back than. As we see today: it was stupid. > and was still above 10% untill very recently... No it wasn't. It was 6% max and more like 3% before Ukraine. If you want to correct somebody's statement, bring sources. Here is one for my numbers: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ... > Well... I'm sorry, but you seem to be an expert on those. Compared to what you dropped here, I actually am one. Thank you.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    > No it wasn't. It was 6% max and more like 3% before Ukraine. If you want to correct somebody's statement, bring sources. Here is one for my numbers If you actually looked at data from previous years on the site you posted: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/Tabellen/bruttostromerzeugung.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ... You would see that nuclear was still 11,8% in 2021. I mean really? You keep saying stuff like "fake news" and "ridiculous claim" when you can't even be bothered to read the sources you're "citing". Why?
    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't do tit-for-tat flamewars on HN. They're destructive of what we're trying for here, and tedious to everyone else. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't do tit-for-tat flamewars on HN. They're destructive of what we're trying for here, and tedious to everyone else. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
qwytw 4y ago
According to your source it was 11,8% in 2021. And well... 2022 hasn't been the best year for German industry (obviously discontinuing nuclear isn't the main factor but the timing was still exceptionally poor/unlucky)
dang 4y ago
Please omit swipes and name-calling from your comments here. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be fine without that second sentence.

option 4y ago

there will be no growth. No growth => no investment which will lead to stagnation. Contrast this with what Finland is doing. Finland is going to be one of the leading European nations in 20 years.

Krasnol 4y ago
Why should there be no growth? Do you have ANY facts on that because the facts out there, especially the already ongoing actual growth on renewables, show the exact opposite? Where do you even get the Finland story from? It's not like having (finally) a new nuclear reactor running makes them some kind of unicorn. Again: please deliver facts. Sources. Anything besides those preachings from Shellenbergers Astro-Turf.
hackandthink 4y ago
Olkiluoto 3 is not exactly a success story. 1600 MW for 11 billion Euro is a bad deal. "Nuclear reactor Olkiluoto 3 has gone online in Finland some 12 years behind schedule and on a massively inflated budget." https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-much-delayed-nuclear-plant-launches/a-61108015 https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-much-delayed-nuclear-plant-la...

qwytw 4y ago

> provided between 3 and 6% to the whole mix providES. It used to be around 25% back in 2000 and was still above 10% untill very recently... > This is a ridiculous claim. Well... I'm sorry, but you seem to be an expert on those.

Krasnol 4y ago
> providES PovidED. You even admit it in the following sentence... > It used to be around 25% back in 2000 And people where spreading the same fake news and fear back than. As we see today: it was stupid. > and was still above 10% untill very recently... No it wasn't. It was 6% max and more like 3% before Ukraine. If you want to correct somebody's statement, bring sources. Here is one for my numbers: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ... > Well... I'm sorry, but you seem to be an expert on those. Compared to what you dropped here, I actually am one. Thank you.
- qwytw 4y ago
  > No it wasn't. It was 6% max and more like 3% before Ukraine. If you want to correct somebody's statement, bring sources. Here is one for my numbers If you actually looked at data from previous years on the site you posted: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/Tabellen/bruttostromerzeugung.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ... You would see that nuclear was still 11,8% in 2021. I mean really? You keep saying stuff like "fake news" and "ridiculous claim" when you can't even be bothered to read the sources you're "citing". Why?
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't do tit-for-tat flamewars on HN. They're destructive of what we're trying for here, and tedious to everyone else. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't do tit-for-tat flamewars on HN. They're destructive of what we're trying for here, and tedious to everyone else. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 4y ago
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

qwytw 4y ago

According to your source it was 11,8% in 2021. And well... 2022 hasn't been the best year for German industry (obviously discontinuing nuclear isn't the main factor but the timing was still exceptionally poor/unlucky)

dang 4y ago

Please omit swipes and name-calling from your comments here. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment would be fine without that second sentence.