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Is PG&E electricity super cheap already or something? I pay 2x-3x the top tier they are talking about in FL for electricity.

davidandgoliath 4y ago
.47c a kWh. Highest outside of Hawaii, third or fourth highest in the world. You're not paying that in Florida.
- MrFoof 4y ago
  For CA, depends very much on where you are. $0.47 is not the highest in CA, nor in the continental US. Here in Boston, my rate is $0.14479/Kwh for delivery with a $0.33891/kWh supply charge, or $0.4837 per kWh. Yep, higher than you're paying. That excludes a fixed standing charge of $7/mo. About 53% of our base load (IIRC) is natural gas, so when natural gas wholesale prices spiked, so did our rates by 80+ percent back in October 2022. My electric bill nearly doubled over the course of 6 weeks. I'm fortunate that over the years I had always driven my power consumption into the ground. Certainly paid off. Back in 2017, the rate was legitimately under half what I paid now. Again, I believe there might be some parts of CA where the delivery+supply rate might be approaching $0.60/kWh at some points in time, but it'll be location dependent.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    That's wild. My meter fee is like $15 and then my rate is less than $0.14 total, for delivery and supply. Guess I'm burning coal. I used ~200 kW-h last month, so at least it wouldn't ruin my life to pay $0.50 per. I don't have AC, so even with a gas furnace, the winter months tend to be my largest electric (running the blower and hydronic pumps).
    - MrFoof 4y ago
      Depending on where you live, it very well may be coal. Have a friend in Kentucky who pays about $0.105/kWh, but 70% of his electricity is coal powered.
mkozlows 4y ago
This isn't a fixed rate "total bill," it's the fixed charge base amount onto which they then layer the variable usage-related costs.
- lsaferite 4y ago
  That would make much more sense. Here's my most recent bill detail FWIW Access Charge $27.00 Energy Charge 1,000 kWh @ 0.0725 $72.50 Energy Charge 725 kWh @ 0.0913 $66.19 Power Cost Adjustment 1,725 kWh @ 0.0465 $80.21 Subdivision Lighting Large $2.80 Light PCA $0.37 FLA Gross Receipts Tax $6.38 Florida State Sales Tax $0.23 County Sales Tax $0.05 Operation Round Up $0.91 Total Current Charges for this Location $256.64

davidandgoliath 4y ago

.47c a kWh. Highest outside of Hawaii, third or fourth highest in the world. You're not paying that in Florida.

MrFoof 4y ago
For CA, depends very much on where you are. $0.47 is not the highest in CA, nor in the continental US. Here in Boston, my rate is $0.14479/Kwh for delivery with a $0.33891/kWh supply charge, or $0.4837 per kWh. Yep, higher than you're paying. That excludes a fixed standing charge of $7/mo. About 53% of our base load (IIRC) is natural gas, so when natural gas wholesale prices spiked, so did our rates by 80+ percent back in October 2022. My electric bill nearly doubled over the course of 6 weeks. I'm fortunate that over the years I had always driven my power consumption into the ground. Certainly paid off. Back in 2017, the rate was legitimately under half what I paid now. Again, I believe there might be some parts of CA where the delivery+supply rate might be approaching $0.60/kWh at some points in time, but it'll be location dependent.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  That's wild. My meter fee is like $15 and then my rate is less than $0.14 total, for delivery and supply. Guess I'm burning coal. I used ~200 kW-h last month, so at least it wouldn't ruin my life to pay $0.50 per. I don't have AC, so even with a gas furnace, the winter months tend to be my largest electric (running the blower and hydronic pumps).
  - MrFoof 4y ago
    Depending on where you live, it very well may be coal. Have a friend in Kentucky who pays about $0.105/kWh, but 70% of his electricity is coal powered.

mkozlows 4y ago

This isn't a fixed rate "total bill," it's the fixed charge base amount onto which they then layer the variable usage-related costs.

lsaferite 4y ago
That would make much more sense. Here's my most recent bill detail FWIW Access Charge $27.00 Energy Charge 1,000 kWh @ 0.0725 $72.50 Energy Charge 725 kWh @ 0.0913 $66.19 Power Cost Adjustment 1,725 kWh @ 0.0465 $80.21 Subdivision Lighting Large $2.80 Light PCA $0.37 FLA Gross Receipts Tax $6.38 Florida State Sales Tax $0.23 County Sales Tax $0.05 Operation Round Up $0.91 Total Current Charges for this Location $256.64