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SpaceX and Elon Musk have done an amazing job of advancing humans into space once again!

by silexia 4y ago

belter 4y ago
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- sebzim4500 4y ago
  What's your evidence for that? For all the bellyflop tests Elon was certainly around, SpaceX was clearly iterating quickly then.
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  - ForHackernews 4y ago
    I think it's fairly commonly known that Gwynne Shotwell is the one actually running SpaceX. https://www.nasa.gov/content/national-space-council-users-advisory-group/membership_roster_g_shotwell/ https://www.nasa.gov/content/national-space-council-users-ad...
    - sebzim4500 4y ago
      It is 'common knowledge' in that people say it a lot on HN/reddit. In this case, Shotwell is responsible for overseeing integration at Starbase, so it at least makes some sense to give her credit for the test flight. In general though, Musk is the CEO and lead engineer and it really feels like people talk up Shotwell's contribution as a childish way of downplaying Musk's.
      - belter 4y ago
        Lead Engineer in title you mean? "Elon Musk: The Fake Engineer" - https://www.processindustryinformer.com/elon-musk-the-fake-engineer/ https://www.processindustryinformer.com/elon-musk-the-fake-e...
        93po 4y ago
        Written by the great Gavin Smith, a project manager at some consultancy no one has ever heard of, with no mechanical engineering or software experience, and writer of hard-hitting pieces that sound like they were written by a high schooler.
        belter 4y ago
        If you are going to argue for Elon Musk engineering credentials, you have a steep climb ahead of you: https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368?s=46&t=OkRi-a2oWi7XvjEyQeU3SA https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/159330754193247436...
        93po 4y ago
        i don't understand using that as a source, there's literally a giant banner on it showing that the tweet you linked is wrong poorly sourced hit pieces aside, go watch an interview where elon walks a journalist engineer through a tesla plant or spacex facility. he clearly knows the engineering that's happening there and there's even videos of him using autocad/solidworks/whatever in a manner that clearly demonstrates he's familiar with the software. Does he sit there designing some small piece of hardware in autocad for months at a time? No, but that also doesn't mean he's not an engineer.
        belter 4y ago
        What is wrong about it? Here is what Snopes, a site who does fact checking found about it. Please talk specifics instead of making generic judgement statements. - "...Another area of controversy concerns the appearance and nature of the physics degree, specifically. Certificates of both a Penn economics degree and an alleged physics degree are included in documents filed as part of the O'Reilly and Eberhard lawsuits. While the economics diploma filed as evidence specifically indicates the academic discipline, name, and other details involved in the degree, the physics diploma appears to be a largely blank diploma and indicates no specific concentration..." - "...The University of Pennsylvania Department of Physics and Astronomy does describe Musk as an alumnus. In 2009 — the same year the dispute with Eberhard was litigated — Musk gave Penn's Center for Particle Cosmology a "generous endowment" allowing for an annual "Elon Musk Public Lecture"..." - " Musk's past statements about his educational background, however, have been, at best, imprecise. He has claimed on several occasions to have received a physics degree in 1995 — a claim that was never fully true but which may have aided Musk's early business career..."
      - ForHackernews 4y ago
        Musk is not an engineer, let alone a "lead" one. If anyone doubts: https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1605442608603463680 https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1605442608603463680 Musk suggests rewriting all of Twitter, can't answer any basic questions about the tech stack, gets angry when challenged on technical specifics.
        whoisthemachine 4y ago
        Engineers aren't immune from making poor judgment calls, but the second part - having no clue what you're talking about and not knowing when to just shut up and learn - is certainly a marker for a poor engineer in my experience.
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Do you actually think Musk engineered any part of SpaceX? In this case, it literally is rocket science, you can’t just hop in and pick it up as you go.
        sebzim4500 4y ago
        >Do you actually think Musk engineered any part of SpaceX? Yes, especially after watching his extremely in depth interviews with Tim Dodd abou the Starship program. Do you have some reason to think he didn't, other than the fact that you don't like him? I am already aware that he, like most engineers in the US, does not have an engineering degree.
        93po 4y ago
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        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        > Do you have some reason to think he didn't Aerospace engineering actually requires you to do years of study for a reason. This isn't engineering a cute little website for your company, this is, as I said, literally rocket science. Your measurements and calculations have to be extremely precise and that knowledge doesn't magically sprout out of nowhere. > I am already aware that he, like most engineers in the US, does not have an engineering degree. Bold claim. I'm sure you have a source. And even if you did, I'm pretty sure aerospace engineering would be an exception rather than the rule. But I highly doubt this claim in the first place.
  - belter 4y ago
    "SpaceX’s Secret Weapon Is Gwynne Shotwell" - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-26/she-launches-spaceships-sells-rockets-and-deals-with-elon-musk#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-26/she-launc...
  - machdiamonds 4y ago
    I find it strange that people don't acknowledge the significant contributions made by him at SpaceX on HN. However, figures such as Jim Keller, John Carmack, and Tom Mueller all recognize and appreciate his contributions. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
    - sebzim4500 4y ago
      I don't find it strange at all. To acknowledge his contribution you have to accept that a person might not be entirely 1 dimensional, and they may be extremely accomplished in some areas yet apparently incompetent in others.
    - belter 4y ago
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      - machdiamonds 4y ago
        Am I not allowed to make an account to post something that meaningfully adds to the conversation?
        belter 4y ago
        Let's give praise where it should be. The amazing engineering team at SpaceX: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647629006089461761/photo/1 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647629006089461761/phot...
      - dang 4y ago
        "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- mattkevan 4y ago
  I can only imagine the relief at SpaceX that he’s too busy shitposting alt-right memes and lighting billions of dollars on fire to get in the way of their genuinely incredible achievement.
ninepoints 4y ago
Some amazing talent at SpaceX no doubt, somehow holding it together under the purview of a maniacal fraud.
ethbr0 4y ago
Gwynne Shotwell and the SpaceX leadership team are the folks who deserve recent credit.
- machdiamonds 4y ago
  Musk also certainly deserves a lot of credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Musk is apparently a great engineer and motivator, with passable to terrible management skills (depending on how much of his ego is involved). Part of being a good CEO is knowing when to delegate. There's a lot of credit to his engineering prowess in your link et al. But engineering alone does not a successful company make.
- rlt 4y ago
  Elon too, regardless of how much of an inconvenient truth this is to people who don't like Elon.

SpaceX and Elon Musk have done an amazing job of advancing humans into space once again!

belter 4y ago

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sebzim4500 4y ago
What's your evidence for that? For all the bellyflop tests Elon was certainly around, SpaceX was clearly iterating quickly then.
- deleted 4y ago
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- ForHackernews 4y ago
  I think it's fairly commonly known that Gwynne Shotwell is the one actually running SpaceX. https://www.nasa.gov/content/national-space-council-users-advisory-group/membership_roster_g_shotwell/ https://www.nasa.gov/content/national-space-council-users-ad...
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    It is 'common knowledge' in that people say it a lot on HN/reddit. In this case, Shotwell is responsible for overseeing integration at Starbase, so it at least makes some sense to give her credit for the test flight. In general though, Musk is the CEO and lead engineer and it really feels like people talk up Shotwell's contribution as a childish way of downplaying Musk's.
    - belter 4y ago
      Lead Engineer in title you mean? "Elon Musk: The Fake Engineer" - https://www.processindustryinformer.com/elon-musk-the-fake-engineer/ https://www.processindustryinformer.com/elon-musk-the-fake-e...
      - 93po 4y ago
        Written by the great Gavin Smith, a project manager at some consultancy no one has ever heard of, with no mechanical engineering or software experience, and writer of hard-hitting pieces that sound like they were written by a high schooler.
        belter 4y ago
        If you are going to argue for Elon Musk engineering credentials, you have a steep climb ahead of you: https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368?s=46&t=OkRi-a2oWi7XvjEyQeU3SA https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/159330754193247436...
        93po 4y ago
        i don't understand using that as a source, there's literally a giant banner on it showing that the tweet you linked is wrong poorly sourced hit pieces aside, go watch an interview where elon walks a journalist engineer through a tesla plant or spacex facility. he clearly knows the engineering that's happening there and there's even videos of him using autocad/solidworks/whatever in a manner that clearly demonstrates he's familiar with the software. Does he sit there designing some small piece of hardware in autocad for months at a time? No, but that also doesn't mean he's not an engineer.
        belter 4y ago
        What is wrong about it? Here is what Snopes, a site who does fact checking found about it. Please talk specifics instead of making generic judgement statements. - "...Another area of controversy concerns the appearance and nature of the physics degree, specifically. Certificates of both a Penn economics degree and an alleged physics degree are included in documents filed as part of the O'Reilly and Eberhard lawsuits. While the economics diploma filed as evidence specifically indicates the academic discipline, name, and other details involved in the degree, the physics diploma appears to be a largely blank diploma and indicates no specific concentration..." - "...The University of Pennsylvania Department of Physics and Astronomy does describe Musk as an alumnus. In 2009 — the same year the dispute with Eberhard was litigated — Musk gave Penn's Center for Particle Cosmology a "generous endowment" allowing for an annual "Elon Musk Public Lecture"..." - " Musk's past statements about his educational background, however, have been, at best, imprecise. He has claimed on several occasions to have received a physics degree in 1995 — a claim that was never fully true but which may have aided Musk's early business career..."
    - ForHackernews 4y ago
      Musk is not an engineer, let alone a "lead" one. If anyone doubts: https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1605442608603463680 https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1605442608603463680 Musk suggests rewriting all of Twitter, can't answer any basic questions about the tech stack, gets angry when challenged on technical specifics.
      - whoisthemachine 4y ago
        Engineers aren't immune from making poor judgment calls, but the second part - having no clue what you're talking about and not knowing when to just shut up and learn - is certainly a marker for a poor engineer in my experience.
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Do you actually think Musk engineered any part of SpaceX? In this case, it literally is rocket science, you can’t just hop in and pick it up as you go.
      - sebzim4500 4y ago
        >Do you actually think Musk engineered any part of SpaceX? Yes, especially after watching his extremely in depth interviews with Tim Dodd abou the Starship program. Do you have some reason to think he didn't, other than the fact that you don't like him? I am already aware that he, like most engineers in the US, does not have an engineering degree.
        93po 4y ago
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        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        > Do you have some reason to think he didn't Aerospace engineering actually requires you to do years of study for a reason. This isn't engineering a cute little website for your company, this is, as I said, literally rocket science. Your measurements and calculations have to be extremely precise and that knowledge doesn't magically sprout out of nowhere. > I am already aware that he, like most engineers in the US, does not have an engineering degree. Bold claim. I'm sure you have a source. And even if you did, I'm pretty sure aerospace engineering would be an exception rather than the rule. But I highly doubt this claim in the first place.
- belter 4y ago
  "SpaceX’s Secret Weapon Is Gwynne Shotwell" - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-26/she-launches-spaceships-sells-rockets-and-deals-with-elon-musk#xj4y7vzkg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-07-26/she-launc...
- machdiamonds 4y ago
  I find it strange that people don't acknowledge the significant contributions made by him at SpaceX on HN. However, figures such as Jim Keller, John Carmack, and Tom Mueller all recognize and appreciate his contributions. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    I don't find it strange at all. To acknowledge his contribution you have to accept that a person might not be entirely 1 dimensional, and they may be extremely accomplished in some areas yet apparently incompetent in others.
  - belter 4y ago
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    - machdiamonds 4y ago
      Am I not allowed to make an account to post something that meaningfully adds to the conversation?
      - belter 4y ago
        Let's give praise where it should be. The amazing engineering team at SpaceX: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647629006089461761/photo/1 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1647629006089461761/phot...
    - dang 4y ago
      "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
mattkevan 4y ago
I can only imagine the relief at SpaceX that he’s too busy shitposting alt-right memes and lighting billions of dollars on fire to get in the way of their genuinely incredible achievement.

ninepoints 4y ago

Some amazing talent at SpaceX no doubt, somehow holding it together under the purview of a maniacal fraud.

ethbr0 4y ago

Gwynne Shotwell and the SpaceX leadership team are the folks who deserve recent credit.

machdiamonds 4y ago
Musk also certainly deserves a lot of credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Musk is apparently a great engineer and motivator, with passable to terrible management skills (depending on how much of his ego is involved). Part of being a good CEO is knowing when to delegate. There's a lot of credit to his engineering prowess in your link et al. But engineering alone does not a successful company make.
rlt 4y ago
Elon too, regardless of how much of an inconvenient truth this is to people who don't like Elon.