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If tmux control mode was ever implemented for kitty I'd use it, but Goyal hates multiplexers so he refuses to do it. Luckily it looks like wezterm will have su

If tmux control mode was ever implemented for kitty I'd use it, but Goyal hates multiplexers so he refuses to do it. Luckily it looks like wezterm will have support eventually.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
> Goyal hates multiplexers so he refuses to do it. So very on brand for him. Why people keep investing themselves into Goyal's one-man-fiefdom projects is a mystery to me. I haven't used kitty, but I absolutely loathe Calibre more than any other software I use. The man couldn't design a user interface to save his life, common functions nearly everyone wants are time-consuming to set up, and the fact that calibre-web is better in every possible way speaks volumes. It took me years to realize that calibre-web had nothing to do with him, otherwise I would have switched much sooner.
- fileeditview 4y ago
  I don't get this open reluctance of people that contribute a lot of time and work towards open source. Sounds a lot like entitlement to me. I don't know anything about the drama you mention. I just know kitty is a fine terminal emulator I use all the time (also with tmux/byobu) and I am thankful the author created it. Calibre I also use from time to time and it works for my purpose. I am happy it exists and I can just shovel my ebooks onto my kindle. It sounds like you used Calibre for years but still complain about it even though it's free..
  - razemio 4y ago
    Usually I agree but the maintainer of kitty is bonkers rude. There have been several issues concerning privacy and security regarding kitty. The responses of the maintainer regarding these very valid concerns made me switch to wezterm/sakura/foot in an instant. He also accepts lots of PRs from contributers. Once you do this, it is no longer your project only. An example PR (there are a few others equally concerning): https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/3544 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/3544
    - fileeditview 4y ago
      I see. I read the PR you linked and have to partially agree. Yes the maintainer's reaction was rude and seemed much like an overreaction. However the original comment could also be seen as offensive and lecturing. I don't want to defend phone-home mechanisms because I am personally not a fan but an update check really is different from surveillance. I in general agree with the comment that the feature should be opt-in but the argument was not presented in a good way.
      - razemio 4y ago
        Yes, you are right. I am also highly opinionated, when it comes to opt-out phone home functionality in terminal software. Just wanted to point out where some of the drama comes from and also make aware of possible consequences. I could imagine people are not opening security PRs or issues because of the maintainers attitude.
- chuchana 4y ago
  This one https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web ? It does indeed look a lot neater.
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  I use Calibre as an epub reader. Does anyone know of good alternatives on Linux? I’ll look into calibre-web of course.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    Mupdf with plugins for lightweight fetishists? Foliate for lazies like me. Okular if your running KDE/Plasma already?
- johnchristopher 4y ago
  Does calibre-web support syncing collections from PC to Kobo ?
  - konart 4y ago
    > The kobo sync with calibre-web is only for books. You can choose to sync your entire library or just a specific shelf. You add books to that shelf and sync, it will make sure the books on that shelf are on your kobo. >For syncing reading progress across devices KOReader is apparently the way to go. You can setup syncing on there and any device that has KOReader installed will have the same reading position. From google. + OPDS support regardless of device
    - johnchristopher 4y ago
      Thanks, I haven't yet switched to koreader so I'll stick with calibre (and its horrible UI, I agree) for a while.
      - konart 4y ago
        I'm using calibre-web + Boox Darwin. Maybe not as functional as some other solutions, but you get a great personal library and books sync over opds. (Not progress sync, but I don't really need it)
- deng 4y ago
  calibre-web is not a replacement for calibre. The real hard part is all the ebook conversion stuff, which calibre-web can do by... calling calibre binaries. So saying "it has nothing to do with him" is quite the statement. Calibre has saved my bacon countless of times. It's absolutely crazy how many crappily formatted epubs are out there (not pirated ones, mind you, but bought from stores). Without Calibre to clean these up, my reading experience would have been so much worse.
  - helmholtz 4y ago
    I'm very curious what kinds of fixes you're talking about. Would you mind expanding a bit on what's broken and how you fixed things?
- Sesse__ 4y ago
  > Why people keep investing themselves into Goyal's one-man-fiefdom projects is a mystery to me. You gain some, you lose some. Kitty is really low-latency and renders most Unicode shenanigans correctly (the main exception being RTL text). I can live with the fact that I don't get a normal menu bar on Wayland then :-)
- osener 4y ago
  Kitty does everything I want out of a terminal multiplexer out of the box already. Sure, there are other features that might be gained by using tmux inside a terminal that has extra support for it, but as a maintainer he makes the call if it's worth the complexity to add features he doesn't use and disagrees on whether it's a good fit for his app. Even if you open a pull request for this, that is asking the maintainer their many many hours of future maintenance and support they have to do to keep this feature alive and improved, all for free.
- RealStickman_ 4y ago
  I unfortunately have to use Calibre to convert Kindle Ebooks into a sensible format. One needs to fight Calibre so it doesn't destroy any images in the conversion process.
  - d7w 4y ago
    I don't say that this CLI tool is a replacement for Calibre, but it covers all my needs by converting FB2 books into EPUB and making some cosmetic fixes: https://github.com/rupor-github/fb2converter https://github.com/rupor-github/fb2converter
junon 4y ago
I can second Wezterm. I've used a lot of emulators and Wezterm is far and away the best one. My daily driver across all platforms and has never failed me.
- nimbius 4y ago
  wezterm on arch is 113mb chungus compared to alacritty at just 6mb, but i guess people like me would be happier with foot maybe.
  - junon 4y ago
    Yes and alacritty has a ton of issues with rendering and performance.
  - deleted 4y ago
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0zemp1c 4y ago
I don't get the negativity...I use Kitty and I think its great, and I stopped using tmux most of the time Goyal is opinionated but so what? you are free to not use his free software...or you could fork it I actually find his sass amusing...
- proto_lambda 4y ago
  > you are free to not use his free software That's exactly what they're doing, what are you talking about?
  - 0zemp1c 4y ago
    That this comment thread seems focused on taking him down personally
    - scandox 4y ago
      It just says he hates multiplexers. Presumably a statement of fact and not an attack.
- maleldil 4y ago
  > I use Kitty and I think its great, and I stopped using tmux most of the time I want to go 100% kitty (both locally and via SSH), but I don't know whether it can persist sessions. With tmux I can kill the Kitty app, and when I reopen it, all tabs are there, and any running processes keep running in the background (especially important for SSH). Is kitty able to do something like that?
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  I don't know anything about Goyal except that his name is Goyal, he maintains Kitty and he thinks muliplexers are stupid. That's something I learned digging through kitty's github issues when doing a deep dive looking for a term that runs on Linux and supports tmux control mode. This turned me off from using it as someone who needs tmux daily and I wanted to share that information so that others like me might save some time investigating.

If tmux control mode was ever implemented for kitty I'd use it, but Goyal hates multiplexers so he refuses to do it. Luckily it looks like wezterm will have support eventually.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

> Goyal hates multiplexers so he refuses to do it. So very on brand for him. Why people keep investing themselves into Goyal's one-man-fiefdom projects is a mystery to me. I haven't used kitty, but I absolutely loathe Calibre more than any other software I use. The man couldn't design a user interface to save his life, common functions nearly everyone wants are time-consuming to set up, and the fact that calibre-web is better in every possible way speaks volumes. It took me years to realize that calibre-web had nothing to do with him, otherwise I would have switched much sooner.

fileeditview 4y ago
I don't get this open reluctance of people that contribute a lot of time and work towards open source. Sounds a lot like entitlement to me. I don't know anything about the drama you mention. I just know kitty is a fine terminal emulator I use all the time (also with tmux/byobu) and I am thankful the author created it. Calibre I also use from time to time and it works for my purpose. I am happy it exists and I can just shovel my ebooks onto my kindle. It sounds like you used Calibre for years but still complain about it even though it's free..
- razemio 4y ago
  Usually I agree but the maintainer of kitty is bonkers rude. There have been several issues concerning privacy and security regarding kitty. The responses of the maintainer regarding these very valid concerns made me switch to wezterm/sakura/foot in an instant. He also accepts lots of PRs from contributers. Once you do this, it is no longer your project only. An example PR (there are a few others equally concerning): https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/3544 https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/pull/3544
  - fileeditview 4y ago
    I see. I read the PR you linked and have to partially agree. Yes the maintainer's reaction was rude and seemed much like an overreaction. However the original comment could also be seen as offensive and lecturing. I don't want to defend phone-home mechanisms because I am personally not a fan but an update check really is different from surveillance. I in general agree with the comment that the feature should be opt-in but the argument was not presented in a good way.
    - razemio 4y ago
      Yes, you are right. I am also highly opinionated, when it comes to opt-out phone home functionality in terminal software. Just wanted to point out where some of the drama comes from and also make aware of possible consequences. I could imagine people are not opening security PRs or issues because of the maintainers attitude.
chuchana 4y ago
This one https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web ? It does indeed look a lot neater.
avgcorrection 4y ago
I use Calibre as an epub reader. Does anyone know of good alternatives on Linux? I’ll look into calibre-web of course.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  Mupdf with plugins for lightweight fetishists? Foliate for lazies like me. Okular if your running KDE/Plasma already?
johnchristopher 4y ago
Does calibre-web support syncing collections from PC to Kobo ?
- konart 4y ago
  > The kobo sync with calibre-web is only for books. You can choose to sync your entire library or just a specific shelf. You add books to that shelf and sync, it will make sure the books on that shelf are on your kobo. >For syncing reading progress across devices KOReader is apparently the way to go. You can setup syncing on there and any device that has KOReader installed will have the same reading position. From google. + OPDS support regardless of device
  - johnchristopher 4y ago
    Thanks, I haven't yet switched to koreader so I'll stick with calibre (and its horrible UI, I agree) for a while.
    - konart 4y ago
      I'm using calibre-web + Boox Darwin. Maybe not as functional as some other solutions, but you get a great personal library and books sync over opds. (Not progress sync, but I don't really need it)
deng 4y ago
calibre-web is not a replacement for calibre. The real hard part is all the ebook conversion stuff, which calibre-web can do by... calling calibre binaries. So saying "it has nothing to do with him" is quite the statement. Calibre has saved my bacon countless of times. It's absolutely crazy how many crappily formatted epubs are out there (not pirated ones, mind you, but bought from stores). Without Calibre to clean these up, my reading experience would have been so much worse.
- helmholtz 4y ago
  I'm very curious what kinds of fixes you're talking about. Would you mind expanding a bit on what's broken and how you fixed things?
Sesse__ 4y ago
> Why people keep investing themselves into Goyal's one-man-fiefdom projects is a mystery to me. You gain some, you lose some. Kitty is really low-latency and renders most Unicode shenanigans correctly (the main exception being RTL text). I can live with the fact that I don't get a normal menu bar on Wayland then :-)
osener 4y ago
Kitty does everything I want out of a terminal multiplexer out of the box already. Sure, there are other features that might be gained by using tmux inside a terminal that has extra support for it, but as a maintainer he makes the call if it's worth the complexity to add features he doesn't use and disagrees on whether it's a good fit for his app. Even if you open a pull request for this, that is asking the maintainer their many many hours of future maintenance and support they have to do to keep this feature alive and improved, all for free.
RealStickman_ 4y ago
I unfortunately have to use Calibre to convert Kindle Ebooks into a sensible format. One needs to fight Calibre so it doesn't destroy any images in the conversion process.
- d7w 4y ago
  I don't say that this CLI tool is a replacement for Calibre, but it covers all my needs by converting FB2 books into EPUB and making some cosmetic fixes: https://github.com/rupor-github/fb2converter https://github.com/rupor-github/fb2converter

junon 4y ago

I can second Wezterm. I've used a lot of emulators and Wezterm is far and away the best one. My daily driver across all platforms and has never failed me.

nimbius 4y ago
wezterm on arch is 113mb chungus compared to alacritty at just 6mb, but i guess people like me would be happier with foot maybe.
- junon 4y ago
  Yes and alacritty has a ton of issues with rendering and performance.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

0zemp1c 4y ago

I don't get the negativity...I use Kitty and I think its great, and I stopped using tmux most of the time Goyal is opinionated but so what? you are free to not use his free software...or you could fork it I actually find his sass amusing...

proto_lambda 4y ago
> you are free to not use his free software That's exactly what they're doing, what are you talking about?
- 0zemp1c 4y ago
  That this comment thread seems focused on taking him down personally
  - scandox 4y ago
    It just says he hates multiplexers. Presumably a statement of fact and not an attack.
maleldil 4y ago
> I use Kitty and I think its great, and I stopped using tmux most of the time I want to go 100% kitty (both locally and via SSH), but I don't know whether it can persist sessions. With tmux I can kill the Kitty app, and when I reopen it, all tabs are there, and any running processes keep running in the background (especially important for SSH). Is kitty able to do something like that?
mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
I don't know anything about Goyal except that his name is Goyal, he maintains Kitty and he thinks muliplexers are stupid. That's something I learned digging through kitty's github issues when doing a deep dive looking for a term that runs on Linux and supports tmux control mode. This turned me off from using it as someone who needs tmux daily and I wanted to share that information so that others like me might save some time investigating.