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It's always really funny/amazing that seemingly smart people think that the legal system can be "hacked" by doing cheap stuff like deleting history. It's going
by seanhunter 4y ago
It's always really funny/amazing that seemingly smart people think that the legal system can be "hacked" by doing cheap stuff like deleting history. It's going to come out and it's going to look bad. In an actual case that I was involved in, the other party was an ex-lawyer and had a rigorous practise of not keeping records in case something bad was discovered. I on the other hand had (terrifyingly, in retrospect) meticulous notes. I figured if I don't do anything bad my notes will be fine. When it came to the actual case my notes meant our side prevailed on every material question of fact because they had literally nothing to back their theories up with. Some of the notes were a bit embarrassing to be crossexamined about because they were my personal take on meetings and conversations etc[1] but it 100% reinforced my basic idea: act with integrity and don't be afraid of the record.
Another widely used "legal lifehack" of this kind is to just add "Attorney Privileged and Confidential" or something similar either to the first line of the email or to the subject and then (optionally) cc a member of legal team, thinking this will prevent the document being found and used in discovery. This won't work.
Attorney client privilege covers you providing facts to your legal team sufficient for them to give you some advice and them providing that advice.[2] You can't just tag any communication and think it is magically covered, and not all communications involving a lawyer are covered either. In an actual discovery (at least in the ones I have been involved in) there is a massive document production (including emails but every other kind of document also) and then the lawyers go into a conference to argue about what is and is not privileged. If you mark actually privileged conversations you can speed this process up because they don't need to sift through as much, but if you have marked a bunch of comms privileged that is not, all you are doing is making this process take longer (and thereby increasing your legal bill). Either way, you marking something (or not) doesn't actually affect whether it is privileged (or not).
[1] I can say from experience that "Mr Hunter, what do you think it means when it says here this was 'a complete clusterfuck'?" is not a fun question to have to answer to a roomful of lawyers but whatever.
[2] https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/7-506-8557?contextData=(sc.Default)&transitionType=Default&firstPage=true https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/7-506-8557?contex...
- rightbyte 4y agoTechnical people often see laws like literal programming rather than a fuzzy social construct.
- concordDance 4y agoIt's a weird cross between the two. Too fuzzy for programmers, too technical for common sense.
- pjmlp 4y agoNot only that, they also fail to understand each jurisdition has their own ways, and it isn't an algorithm that can be applied everywhere.
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoOr they're so full of themselves that they think laws apply to the peons who aren't as smart as them.
- gorbachev 4y agoGrowth engineering? Uber became a unicorn doing exactly this.
- Retric 4y agoUber became a unicorn by exploiting the differences between regulation of taxi companies and limo companies. While burning though mountains of investor money subsidizing it’s product. The important bit was they didn’t need much capital because they didn’t own the cars, and they didn’t need much advertising because the subsidies where initially huge. The underlying business model looked quite reasonable for investors who assumed they could eventually turn off subsidies and terrible to those who didn’t. But, you don’t need to convince every investor just enough investors to keep going.
- Longhanks 4y ago> It's always really funny/amazing that seemingly smart people think that the legal system can be "hacked" by doing cheap stuff like deleting history. It's always really funny/amazing that this exact process works flawlessly for EU politicians: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-von-der-leyen-cant-find-texts-with-pfizer-chief-vaccine-deal-letter-2022-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-von-der-leyen-cant-...