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Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something?

by ugh123 4y ago

Z7YCx5ieof4Std 4y ago
> Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something? Same here.I want to just name. Seriesname - Season xx - SxxExx- If I have to rename a serie for using an app its a no-go. I will still try it once.
- 4ndrewl 4y ago
  This is an actual good use case for ML.
nyx_land 4y ago
My attempts at making a media manager/server (like Jellyfin and Subsonic) have shown that it's easier said than done to reliably sort video files since there's not really a standardized way of embeddeding metadata into video files like music files have with ID3v2. I imagine this is because unlike with music which had the MP3 player craze, by the time it became normal for users to have access to digital AV media due to improved storage and networking, locally saved files were bypassed by streaming. So you have to resort to ugly regexes to strip out all the nonsense from a filename (like if you have acquired a movie file from a torrent or something), which has a whole bunch of edge cases. It's made even more annoying by TMDB not having something like MusicBrainz to rank similarity of searches, so you better hope the file you end up with is a good quality string with ideally also the year of release, otherwise you'll probably have to tag stuff manually. So I can't blame the devs for just expecting the user to sort their movie files beforehand (maybe with a different tool (except there aren't any for movie files as far as I know)). It's the kind of thing that there aren't any good solutions to. Not sure how Plex manages to guess movie files better than Jellyfin (I just ended up stealing JF's regexes for my thing) but since it's proprietary there's no way of knowing what regex magic they use.
- ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
  For films and TV series, I'm a fan of using TinyMediaManager (https://www.tinymediamanager.org/ https://www.tinymediamanager.org/). It performs a search on TMDB, IMDB etc and you select the best match. It populates an NFO file with the relevant data as well as downloading actors, posters etc and renames the file/folder.
- neffo 4y ago
  Reliable for all cases is one thing, but it should support scene naming fairly trivially. The approach they are taking seems to lose information that's within the filenames, particularly with movies (i.e. the year). For scene naming you don't really need to filter much of anything out, the tokens are there to split on already. For TV "<seriesname>\.S<ss>E<ee>\.<junk>", for movies "<moviename (greedy if REGEX)>\.<yyyy>.\<junk>". Just a strange choice to go with something nonstandard that you can't come back from. It's a barrier to testing it.
- agilob 4y ago
  Sonarr, Radarr and Lidarr are doing great job. Everything is easy and compatible with other system. Jellyfin sometimes needs help with media identification to create good nfo files, but that's rate. Then you can use Tdarr or unmanic to standardise on what the media contains, like, remove languages, hardcoded subtitles and convert to a single codec and container. Sorting moving like this project suggests: E1.mkv, E2.mkv... yea, no thank you.
- NicoJuicy 4y ago
  Filename.nfo Jellyfin creates them automatically. But you can adjust them
reisse 4y ago
Yeah, requirement to rename files makes it no-go when you want to continue seeding your Linux ISOs.
crispyambulance 4y ago
> Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something? I feel the same way. It's sort of reminds me of Plex. Why are they making the same mistakes (regarding file-organization) as Plex?! The thing is everyone has different ideas about how files should be named and organized. Plex really wants you to name your media files in a particular way, and I find that annoying. After all, the Plex server maintains a database. One should be able to point Plex to ANY media file, with ANY filename in ANY accessible filepath, fill in metadata and organizational tags for that media, and have that info useable by the client. But for whatever reason, Plex instead enforces weird naming conventions on your actual filenames and practically forces people to use software like filebot to mass-rename files. It doesn't help, of course, that media file formats are a jungle with unreliable garbage meta-data in the files and widely varying limitations on what you can put in there.

Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something?

by ugh123 4y ago

Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something?

Z7YCx5ieof4Std 4y ago

> Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something? Same here.I want to just name. Seriesname - Season xx - SxxExx- If I have to rename a serie for using an app its a no-go. I will still try it once.

4ndrewl 4y ago
This is an actual good use case for ML.

nyx_land 4y ago

My attempts at making a media manager/server (like Jellyfin and Subsonic) have shown that it's easier said than done to reliably sort video files since there's not really a standardized way of embeddeding metadata into video files like music files have with ID3v2. I imagine this is because unlike with music which had the MP3 player craze, by the time it became normal for users to have access to digital AV media due to improved storage and networking, locally saved files were bypassed by streaming. So you have to resort to ugly regexes to strip out all the nonsense from a filename (like if you have acquired a movie file from a torrent or something), which has a whole bunch of edge cases. It's made even more annoying by TMDB not having something like MusicBrainz to rank similarity of searches, so you better hope the file you end up with is a good quality string with ideally also the year of release, otherwise you'll probably have to tag stuff manually. So I can't blame the devs for just expecting the user to sort their movie files beforehand (maybe with a different tool (except there aren't any for movie files as far as I know)). It's the kind of thing that there aren't any good solutions to. Not sure how Plex manages to guess movie files better than Jellyfin (I just ended up stealing JF's regexes for my thing) but since it's proprietary there's no way of knowing what regex magic they use.

ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
For films and TV series, I'm a fan of using TinyMediaManager (https://www.tinymediamanager.org/ https://www.tinymediamanager.org/). It performs a search on TMDB, IMDB etc and you select the best match. It populates an NFO file with the relevant data as well as downloading actors, posters etc and renames the file/folder.
neffo 4y ago
Reliable for all cases is one thing, but it should support scene naming fairly trivially. The approach they are taking seems to lose information that's within the filenames, particularly with movies (i.e. the year). For scene naming you don't really need to filter much of anything out, the tokens are there to split on already. For TV "<seriesname>\.S<ss>E<ee>\.<junk>", for movies "<moviename (greedy if REGEX)>\.<yyyy>.\<junk>". Just a strange choice to go with something nonstandard that you can't come back from. It's a barrier to testing it.
agilob 4y ago
Sonarr, Radarr and Lidarr are doing great job. Everything is easy and compatible with other system. Jellyfin sometimes needs help with media identification to create good nfo files, but that's rate. Then you can use Tdarr or unmanic to standardise on what the media contains, like, remove languages, hardcoded subtitles and convert to a single codec and container. Sorting moving like this project suggests: E1.mkv, E2.mkv... yea, no thank you.
NicoJuicy 4y ago
Filename.nfo Jellyfin creates them automatically. But you can adjust them

reisse 4y ago

Yeah, requirement to rename files makes it no-go when you want to continue seeding your Linux ISOs.

crispyambulance 4y ago

> Looks nice, but never seen so many rules on file organization. A good media manager would be able to sort that stuff out automatically. Am I missing something? I feel the same way. It's sort of reminds me of Plex. Why are they making the same mistakes (regarding file-organization) as Plex?! The thing is everyone has different ideas about how files should be named and organized. Plex really wants you to name your media files in a particular way, and I find that annoying. After all, the Plex server maintains a database. One should be able to point Plex to ANY media file, with ANY filename in ANY accessible filepath, fill in metadata and organizational tags for that media, and have that info useable by the client. But for whatever reason, Plex instead enforces weird naming conventions on your actual filenames and practically forces people to use software like filebot to mass-rename files. It doesn't help, of course, that media file formats are a jungle with unreliable garbage meta-data in the files and widely varying limitations on what you can put in there.