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I am failing to grasp the wordplay in pas sous vide, but the rest of your comment sounds very sensible so I think it might be because I don’t speak French. Isn’

I am failing to grasp the wordplay in pas sous vide, but the rest of your comment sounds very sensible so I think it might be because I don’t speak French. Isn’t almost everything in life pas sous vide? Legacy style lightbulbs excluded.

adamkochanowicz 4y ago
I don't think it's wordplay. I think they are saying it's like sous vide but not.
Name_Chawps 4y ago
The mechanism is different because it doesn't use a vacuum, but it's similar to sous vide in its effect.
fnbr 4y ago
Sous vide translates literally to “under vacuum” as it involves cooking food in plastic bags that are vacuum sealed and cooked in water baths at precise temperatures. The technique, however, is much more useful for the temperature control elements than the vacuum. The reverse sear method mimics the temperature control element of the technique, but is just done in an oven, so it’s very much not under a vacuum.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > The technique, however, is much more useful for the temperature control elements than the vacuum The vacuum sealing (which doesn’t actually leave a vacuum, because its not done in a rigid container, so name aside, sous vide cooking is not, in any substantive sense, cooking under vacuum) is a technique in achieving temperature control, because it means the food is in direct contact with the bag which is in direct contact with the water bath, rather than there being air in the bag insulating the food from the water bath. > The reverse sear method mimics the temperature control element of the technique, but is just done in an oven, so it’s very much not under a vacuum. In an oven, the food is in direct contact with the thermal medium without a layer in between, but the thermal medium is air rather than water; air has a similar specific heat but much lower density than liquid water at constant pressure, so even if your heat control is as good as in a sous vide system (with most ovens, it is not) you still aren’t really getting the same effect. Reverse sear is a faster, hotter, less even method than sous vide, with the advantage (for steaks, and things where this is an advantage) of producing greater surface evaporation which provides a better sear.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    cooking under vacuum I imagine if you tried to cook in an actual vacuum, you'd end up with dessicated food instead, as all the volatiles will evaporate.
    - krisoft 4y ago
      I heard that space smells like seared steaks.[1] Now we know why. Clearly someone tried the real sous vide. :) 1: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-space-smells-like/259903/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-...
      - samstave 4y ago
        Or its from all of the millions fried in the Explosions of the Deathstars and Alderon. Or better known as 'The Battle of Sous Vader'
fwlr 4y ago
Yes, everything except incandescent bulbs and space stations are pas sous vide. That’s where I find the humour: sous vide is simply an imprecise term for referring to a particular cooking method, but as it has escaped professional kitchens and made its way to home cooks, it has acquired a kind of respect as an arcane art that it arguably doesn’t deserve (and definitely doesn’t get in professional kitchens). I like pas sous vide because it’s an even more imprecise term. (It’s not a very funny joke, honestly.)

adamkochanowicz 4y ago

I don't think it's wordplay. I think they are saying it's like sous vide but not.

Name_Chawps 4y ago

The mechanism is different because it doesn't use a vacuum, but it's similar to sous vide in its effect.

fnbr 4y ago

Sous vide translates literally to “under vacuum” as it involves cooking food in plastic bags that are vacuum sealed and cooked in water baths at precise temperatures. The technique, however, is much more useful for the temperature control elements than the vacuum. The reverse sear method mimics the temperature control element of the technique, but is just done in an oven, so it’s very much not under a vacuum.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> The technique, however, is much more useful for the temperature control elements than the vacuum The vacuum sealing (which doesn’t actually leave a vacuum, because its not done in a rigid container, so name aside, sous vide cooking is not, in any substantive sense, cooking under vacuum) is a technique in achieving temperature control, because it means the food is in direct contact with the bag which is in direct contact with the water bath, rather than there being air in the bag insulating the food from the water bath. > The reverse sear method mimics the temperature control element of the technique, but is just done in an oven, so it’s very much not under a vacuum. In an oven, the food is in direct contact with the thermal medium without a layer in between, but the thermal medium is air rather than water; air has a similar specific heat but much lower density than liquid water at constant pressure, so even if your heat control is as good as in a sous vide system (with most ovens, it is not) you still aren’t really getting the same effect. Reverse sear is a faster, hotter, less even method than sous vide, with the advantage (for steaks, and things where this is an advantage) of producing greater surface evaporation which provides a better sear.
- userbinator 4y ago
  cooking under vacuum I imagine if you tried to cook in an actual vacuum, you'd end up with dessicated food instead, as all the volatiles will evaporate.
  - krisoft 4y ago
    I heard that space smells like seared steaks.[1] Now we know why. Clearly someone tried the real sous vide. :) 1: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-space-smells-like/259903/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-...
    - samstave 4y ago
      Or its from all of the millions fried in the Explosions of the Deathstars and Alderon. Or better known as 'The Battle of Sous Vader'

fwlr 4y ago

Yes, everything except incandescent bulbs and space stations are pas sous vide. That’s where I find the humour: sous vide is simply an imprecise term for referring to a particular cooking method, but as it has escaped professional kitchens and made its way to home cooks, it has acquired a kind of respect as an arcane art that it arguably doesn’t deserve (and definitely doesn’t get in professional kitchens). I like pas sous vide because it’s an even more imprecise term. (It’s not a very funny joke, honestly.)