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That jailing a very small number of naughty people would drastically reduce crime.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
I get that. The article doesn’t answer the question of why these laws aren’t enforced when it comes to prolific offenders. Shoplifting under $1k in NYC is punishable by a jail term of up to 1 year. The NYPD has a 5.5 billion dollar budget, and shoplifting is an absurdly easy crime to solve given that it almost always happens on camera. Prosecutors and judges aren’t going to catch heat for going after people with hundreds of offenses. The interesting story to me is, what is going on with the mountains of money being shoveled at police and courts?
- tetromino_ 3y ago
  > The article doesn’t answer the question of why these laws aren’t enforced when it comes to prolific offenders. Here is an article that does: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-low-level-offenses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-brag...
- sh34r 3y ago
  Cops don’t want to work anymore. Their fee-fees are hurt after the 2020 protests, so they’ve been doing a work slowdown. In a sane country, this would lead to mass layoffs and defunding of the police, but somehow the answer in this insane country is to reward the petulant children. Can you imagine any other profession refusing to work for three years and getting a raise for it? The police are a gang, running a city-wide protection racket. NYC voters even decided it’d be a great idea to put a made man in the mafia in the mayor’s office. That’ll fix crime alright! /s The pigs are eating all that slop in the trough, getting fatter and lazier. Why would anything change? They keep it up and they’ll get even richer! What kind of idiot rocks the boat when they have a $200k a year job where you can just play on your phone all day? Cops are scum.
  - meany 3y ago
    This article doesn’t support your statement. It says “ Nearly a third of all shoplifting arrests in New York City last year involved just 327 people, the police said. Collectively, they were arrested and rearrested more than 6,000 times, Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell said.” This data suggests they are working and the legal system is letting people go. Are you sure your mental model and generalizations of the police are based on accurate data overall
    - joenot443 3y ago
      As someone who lives in New York, this is roughly the story. Our DA has… different priorities at the moment. It’s not so much that police don’t want to make arrests, it’s more that they’re aware that even when they do, the suspect will be out with 0 bail very shortly after. Why bother? The individual you’re replying to has some pretty strong opinions about police and their “fee-fees (?)” and that anger is showing their comment.
      - grugagag 3y ago
        > Why bother? Because they are paid to bother. Also if they’re in disagreement with DA, re-arresting the culprits will eventually lead to a downfall of type of DA policy and will lead to a change. Sure, there’s another way to get there and that is to let crime fester and pester the general population but again police are paid to intervene not say why bother.
      - sh34r 3y ago
        Why bother writing code? Most of it will be discarded shortly after. Why bother having garbagemen? The garbage will just be there next Monday, like clockwork. Why bother doing any job at all? Death is all but certain after 120 years. What other profession is allowed to behave like a nihilistic teenager? They're paid to do a job. There's always more work to be done in every job. Otherwise, it typically ceases to be a job rather quickly.
        joenot443 3y ago
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
I forget was the broken windows theory debunked?

I get that. The article doesn’t answer the question of why these laws aren’t enforced when it comes to prolific offenders. Shoplifting under $1k in NYC is punishable by a jail term of up to 1 year. The NYPD has a 5.5 billion dollar budget, and shoplifting is an absurdly easy crime to solve given that it almost always happens on camera. Prosecutors and judges aren’t going to catch heat for going after people with hundreds of offenses. The interesting story to me is, what is going on with the mountains of money being shoveled at police and courts?

tetromino_ 3y ago
> The article doesn’t answer the question of why these laws aren’t enforced when it comes to prolific offenders. Here is an article that does: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-bragg-low-level-offenses/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/manhattan-da-alvin-brag...
sh34r 3y ago
Cops don’t want to work anymore. Their fee-fees are hurt after the 2020 protests, so they’ve been doing a work slowdown. In a sane country, this would lead to mass layoffs and defunding of the police, but somehow the answer in this insane country is to reward the petulant children. Can you imagine any other profession refusing to work for three years and getting a raise for it? The police are a gang, running a city-wide protection racket. NYC voters even decided it’d be a great idea to put a made man in the mafia in the mayor’s office. That’ll fix crime alright! /s The pigs are eating all that slop in the trough, getting fatter and lazier. Why would anything change? They keep it up and they’ll get even richer! What kind of idiot rocks the boat when they have a $200k a year job where you can just play on your phone all day? Cops are scum.
- meany 3y ago
  This article doesn’t support your statement. It says “ Nearly a third of all shoplifting arrests in New York City last year involved just 327 people, the police said. Collectively, they were arrested and rearrested more than 6,000 times, Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell said.” This data suggests they are working and the legal system is letting people go. Are you sure your mental model and generalizations of the police are based on accurate data overall
  - joenot443 3y ago
    As someone who lives in New York, this is roughly the story. Our DA has… different priorities at the moment. It’s not so much that police don’t want to make arrests, it’s more that they’re aware that even when they do, the suspect will be out with 0 bail very shortly after. Why bother? The individual you’re replying to has some pretty strong opinions about police and their “fee-fees (?)” and that anger is showing their comment.
    - grugagag 3y ago
      > Why bother? Because they are paid to bother. Also if they’re in disagreement with DA, re-arresting the culprits will eventually lead to a downfall of type of DA policy and will lead to a change. Sure, there’s another way to get there and that is to let crime fester and pester the general population but again police are paid to intervene not say why bother.
    - sh34r 3y ago
      Why bother writing code? Most of it will be discarded shortly after. Why bother having garbagemen? The garbage will just be there next Monday, like clockwork. Why bother doing any job at all? Death is all but certain after 120 years. What other profession is allowed to behave like a nihilistic teenager? They're paid to do a job. There's always more work to be done in every job. Otherwise, it typically ceases to be a job rather quickly.
      - joenot443 3y ago

AtlasBarfed 3y ago

I forget was the broken windows theory debunked?