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> I think what the former special forces guy explained in the video I shared previously applies to you. You use a flexible morality. When it suits you, you comp
by Kretinsky 3y ago
> I think what the former special forces guy explained in the video I shared previously applies to you. You use a flexible morality. When it suits you, you compare yourself to wolves or other carnivores to justify your actions of supporting cruelty. When it doesn't suit you, you say we shouldn't compare ourselves to animals. So what is it? If you want to be like a wolf then kill and eat the animals raw - no cooking or making it taste nice.
I'm not a wolf. I'm explaining that animals kill in nature. Omnivore animals do kill, too, even if they could live by being vegetarians. Also, as I told you, I have stated my point already, it's not flexible. It's ok to breed and kill animals for their meat. Useless suffering should be avoided, as it's unnecessary and spoils the produce. This way of thinking would actually improve much better the situation than your overall ban.
Don't believe me? Well, veganism hasn't stopped industrial farming, however organic farming and diverse labels to nudge the consumer gave birth to better practices and an awareness about more sustainable farming. You're putting virtuous farmers out of business, I'm helping them improve their work.
> What do you think an athlete is? So anyone who is slim is not an athlete? Marathon runners are not athletes according to your definition.
F1 drivers' hedge is mainly in the nervous system and their experience. It's stupid to compare them to marathon runners or gymnasts working the olympic rings. Those last one need proteins to build up muscle/heal it, which is hard to get using plants, because plant protein profile has a lower quality than animal produce.
> So you think 17,000 doctors & medical experts are pseudo scientists? https://www.pcrm.org/about-us https://www.pcrm.org/about-us
Yes, sorry, but I don't respect the authority argument, especially after COVID-19 where all the “experts” told us that by jailing everyone we'd be safer, while hard data from Sweden was showing that it was clearly false.
The fact that they say that plant-based diet has less fat, which is better, is clearly a misunderstanding of carbs->fat metabolisms. Otherwise, drinking coke wouldn't make you fat. Anyway, we had before the "fat is bad" dogma, now it's "carbs is bad", what comes next?
If you want to know, I ate an almost plant-based diet for a while, full of proteins (lentils + rice, nuts, etc etc), while exercising for endurance and strength 5 days a week. I was logging my data on the ergometer every day. At some point, I started eating meat twice a day, after workout. I suddenly made big gains over the next three weeks, while I was plateauing before. Same workout.
I lost weight, stopped having carbs cravings, got better focus at work and my mood improved. This evidence is worth 100x all the "experts" that you'll find on the internet. It happens that it also meets the experience of millions of athletes across the world - not those cherry-picked by your lobbying group.
> We kill Billions of animals each year. How do you reduce the demand for animal flesh?
Meat isn't an inelastic good. Stringent regulations = lower supply = higher price. I know, I know we aren't yet in a communist economy, so maybe the market will work it out?
> In conclusion, I think we agree on one thing - that animal factory farming is bad and that we should reduce our animal flesh consumption. How do you propose we do that? How would you abolish factory farms?
*animal meat. You can improve factory farms. The Americans are, as always, extreme to suck profit out of everything. You can give more space to animals. You can give access to sunlight and outdoors. You can improve the food. You can have smaller slaughterhouses near the breeding grounds to reduce stress. You can forbid halal/kasher-type of slaughtering. etc etc.
You can also stop subsidizing the exports of low-quality meat the US produces.
- dmbche 3y agoLove your comments on F1 drivers! Do you know any? Do you know the G forces they encounter during hiur long races? I've always heard they were extreme examples of human fitness compared to the average human.
- uxcolumbo 3y agoOk good that you confirmed you're not the same as a wolf. But then also please stop using their behavior as a reason to justify that it is OK to continue killing billions of animals and making them suffer and creating huge environmental damage at the same time. Here from the UN [0]: "... meat and dairy provide just 18 per cent of calories consumed but use 83 per cent of global farmland and are responsible for 60 per cent of agriculture’s greenhouse gas emissions. As that report’s lead researcher, Oxford University’s Joseph Poore said: “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use. It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car.” This was echoed by an IPCC Special Report on Climate Change and Land last year which stated that if we don’t rapidly change the course for our food systems, we won’t be able to prevent the climate crisis." So scientific studies clearly show we can't continue like this or our kids and their kids will inherit a harsh world. So what's more important- that we can have some burgers & french cheese and the illusion of getting 'complete protein' because otherwise we can't be a top performing athlete or keeping our world inhabitable for future generations? If top athletes can thrive on a plant-based diet, so can we. Also you mentioned the words ban, communist and some other highly charged words that have nothing to do with this discussion. Nobody is talking about banning animal flesh. That's not possible. The world is too addicted to it and people like yourself will keep up the demand rather than advocating for more sustainable and ethical alternatives and continue to perpetuate the myth that factory farms can be better or we could feed the entire world with 'happy animal' farms. The way to change behavior is to show the realities of large scale animal farming and its impact. Show it in schools. This would help to reduce the demand for animal flesh & dairy. Kids instinctively want to cuddle and play with animals. They don't want to shred them to pieces. What do you think would happen if we showed children how pigs and other animals are treated and slaughtered? How do you think they would react to all the blood and screaming? Even most adults can't look at this as it makes their stomach turn. In comparison, how do you think children would react to vegetables & fruits being chopped up? Would they react with the same horror? We are not hunter gatherers anymore. We have the brains and technology to come up with better food systems that require fewer resources and are more gentle and that can scale without destroying our biosphere. [0] https://unfccc.int/blog/we-need-to-talk-about-meat https://unfccc.int/blog/we-need-to-talk-about-meat >> Yes, sorry, but I don't respect the authority argument, especially after COVID-19 where all the “experts” told us that by jailing everyone we'd be safer Not to go off topic, the only country I know of that quasi jailed their citizens was China. Sweden's strategy in hindsight was not much better than other western countries. - It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors. - Sweden also didn't fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn't pay off. From: https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-higher-death-rate-2021-8?op=1&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-str...