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> That reason largely disappears for electric vehicles. An electric truck will still use more electrical energy to accelerate than an electric car. The cost to

by nayuki 4y ago

> That reason largely disappears for electric vehicles. An electric truck will still use more electrical energy to accelerate than an electric car. The cost to drive a mile in an electric vehicle is lower than a gas vehicle (maybe like one third?), but it's still a cost. Also, there's the larger initial capital cost of a larger vehicle. > We will all have to learn to live with more massive vehicles. Or we can start legislating against them and stop de kindermoord.

dogma1138 4y ago
If you look at EVs with high capacity batteries 100kwh the weight difference between the saloon and SUV versions tend to be much smaller since the battery is the single heaviest component in them. The curb weight of the EQS SUV for example is only about 600lbs higher than the saloon EQS. And the model 3 is only about 400lbs lighter than the Volvo XC90 which is far larger and is about the same weight as the XC60 (ICE).
- nayuki 4y ago
  It's possible to make EVs lighter by giving up range (e.g. 500 km -> 200 km), speed (e.g. max speed 150 km/h -> 100 km/h), and capacity (e.g. 2 seats). But people aren't willing to make these sacrifices because they're too used to the status quo.
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    It is also possible to not use a car at all. Neither of these are feasible solutions… People take trips longer than 200km and charging isn’t possible at all times also sometimes you do need to be able to make an emergency trip when infrastructure might be under stress or non functional such as in the case of bad weather or natural disaster. People in general have mobility issues, small children and large families too. Having a 2 seat feather weight short distance car is likely more wasteful than having a proper one since if you can make that work for you you probably don’t need a car in the first place.
giantg2 4y ago
"but it's still a cost." But not a significant one from a consumer perspective. When trading from an ICE to an EV you'd see about a 50% reduction in fuel costs. So to a consumer it wouldn't matter if you use a little more for a bigger vehicle because you're already saving more than with your ICE. "Or we can start legislating against them and stop the kindermoord." Yeah, I guess the disagreement could have been with his opinion and not the rest of the comment. Although, did the kindermoord movement actually ban larger consumer vehicles? I thought it was more about street/city design.
- _dain_ 4y ago
  > Although, did the kindermoord movement actually ban larger consumer vehicles? I thought it was more about street/city design. Big SUVs weren't around in those days so they didn't have to. This is what the Dutch were up against in the 70s: https://www.amsterdamclassictours.com/uploads/3/0/2/2/3022280/cars-hectic-city_1_orig.jpg https://www.amsterdamclassictours.com/uploads/3/0/2/2/302228...
kelnos 4y ago
> Or we can start legislating against them Who is this "we"? It seems most people in the US are at least fine with larger vehicles, or even actively want them. Good luck legislating something when most of the country is against it, and corporate interests would be up in arms as well.

by nayuki 4y ago

dogma1138 4y ago

If you look at EVs with high capacity batteries 100kwh the weight difference between the saloon and SUV versions tend to be much smaller since the battery is the single heaviest component in them. The curb weight of the EQS SUV for example is only about 600lbs higher than the saloon EQS. And the model 3 is only about 400lbs lighter than the Volvo XC90 which is far larger and is about the same weight as the XC60 (ICE).

nayuki 4y ago
It's possible to make EVs lighter by giving up range (e.g. 500 km -> 200 km), speed (e.g. max speed 150 km/h -> 100 km/h), and capacity (e.g. 2 seats). But people aren't willing to make these sacrifices because they're too used to the status quo.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  It is also possible to not use a car at all. Neither of these are feasible solutions… People take trips longer than 200km and charging isn’t possible at all times also sometimes you do need to be able to make an emergency trip when infrastructure might be under stress or non functional such as in the case of bad weather or natural disaster. People in general have mobility issues, small children and large families too. Having a 2 seat feather weight short distance car is likely more wasteful than having a proper one since if you can make that work for you you probably don’t need a car in the first place.

giantg2 4y ago

"but it's still a cost." But not a significant one from a consumer perspective. When trading from an ICE to an EV you'd see about a 50% reduction in fuel costs. So to a consumer it wouldn't matter if you use a little more for a bigger vehicle because you're already saving more than with your ICE. "Or we can start legislating against them and stop the kindermoord." Yeah, I guess the disagreement could have been with his opinion and not the rest of the comment. Although, did the kindermoord movement actually ban larger consumer vehicles? I thought it was more about street/city design.

_dain_ 4y ago
> Although, did the kindermoord movement actually ban larger consumer vehicles? I thought it was more about street/city design. Big SUVs weren't around in those days so they didn't have to. This is what the Dutch were up against in the 70s: https://www.amsterdamclassictours.com/uploads/3/0/2/2/3022280/cars-hectic-city_1_orig.jpg https://www.amsterdamclassictours.com/uploads/3/0/2/2/302228...

kelnos 4y ago

> Or we can start legislating against them Who is this "we"? It seems most people in the US are at least fine with larger vehicles, or even actively want them. Good luck legislating something when most of the country is against it, and corporate interests would be up in arms as well.