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I am sorry, didn't want to offend anybody. But this is obvious for a trained eye, which a professional must have.

by nbzso 4y ago

PeterisP 4y ago
Trained eye for what? I'd assume that everyone judging that photo contest was a professional with a trained eye for photography; but that apparently doesn't imply having a trained eye for ML-generated images, and doesn't necessarily even involve having looked at ML-generated images, much less knowing which are the common "tells" for detecting them.
broast 4y ago
The person who generated the image seems to have decades of award winning experience in actual photography, so I wonder if that trained eye passes your test?
- nbzso 4y ago
  Seriously?
simplotek 4y ago
> I am sorry, didn't want to offend anybody. Calling out your need to put down others with petty, frivolous details to feel better about youself and your insecurities/frustrations is not an issue of offense. You're contributing to shut down an otherwise interesting discussion just because you feel the need to elevate yourself at the expense of others. > But this is obvious for a trained eye, which a professional must have. The fact is that you're clearly wrong, as demonstrated by this contest and the fact that the AI generated image was awarded the top prize by its jury. Your only counterclaim is that you portray yourself as better than others without reason or substance, and in the process tried to make it about you and elevate yourself at the expense of others by spreading baseless accusations of incompetence. Again, this says more about you than AI generated content and those who evaluate it, and this discussion is really not about you.
- throwaheyy 4y ago
  Not sure why you’re getting downvotes, your post is completely spot on. That a professional jury awarded the prize to an AI-generated image is proof that AI has reached a good enough level to fool a trained eye. To come later, with prior knowledge that it was AI-generated, point out “tells” and generally armchair-quarterback the process, proves absolutely nothing about the jury’s competence.
iepathos 4y ago
The jury https://www.worldphoto.org/2023-judges https://www.worldphoto.org/2023-judges each member more than qualifies as a professional with a trained eye which means your assumption that it is obvious to a professional trained eye is provably false. I deal with AI generated images a lot and have seen a lot of these kinds of finger distortions in AI generated images as well, but with this creative category and the distorted william hope-esque style it's easy to attribute the distortions to other effects if you don't already know or assume it's AI generated.

I am sorry, didn't want to offend anybody. But this is obvious for a trained eye, which a professional must have.

by nbzso 4y ago

I am sorry, didn't want to offend anybody. But this is obvious for a trained eye, which a professional must have.

Trained eye for what? I'd assume that everyone judging that photo contest was a professional with a trained eye for photography; but that apparently doesn't imply having a trained eye for ML-generated images, and doesn't necessarily even involve having looked at ML-generated images, much less knowing which are the common "tells" for detecting them.

broast 4y ago

The person who generated the image seems to have decades of award winning experience in actual photography, so I wonder if that trained eye passes your test?

nbzso 4y ago
Seriously?

simplotek 4y ago

> I am sorry, didn't want to offend anybody. Calling out your need to put down others with petty, frivolous details to feel better about youself and your insecurities/frustrations is not an issue of offense. You're contributing to shut down an otherwise interesting discussion just because you feel the need to elevate yourself at the expense of others. > But this is obvious for a trained eye, which a professional must have. The fact is that you're clearly wrong, as demonstrated by this contest and the fact that the AI generated image was awarded the top prize by its jury. Your only counterclaim is that you portray yourself as better than others without reason or substance, and in the process tried to make it about you and elevate yourself at the expense of others by spreading baseless accusations of incompetence. Again, this says more about you than AI generated content and those who evaluate it, and this discussion is really not about you.

throwaheyy 4y ago
Not sure why you’re getting downvotes, your post is completely spot on. That a professional jury awarded the prize to an AI-generated image is proof that AI has reached a good enough level to fool a trained eye. To come later, with prior knowledge that it was AI-generated, point out “tells” and generally armchair-quarterback the process, proves absolutely nothing about the jury’s competence.

iepathos 4y ago

The jury https://www.worldphoto.org/2023-judges https://www.worldphoto.org/2023-judges each member more than qualifies as a professional with a trained eye which means your assumption that it is obvious to a professional trained eye is provably false. I deal with AI generated images a lot and have seen a lot of these kinds of finger distortions in AI generated images as well, but with this creative category and the distorted william hope-esque style it's easy to attribute the distortions to other effects if you don't already know or assume it's AI generated.