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> What he did was awesome His work is quite strong. https://www.eldagsen.com/pseudomnesia/ https://www.eldagsen.com/pseudomnesia/ "Just as photography replac

> What he did was awesome His work is quite strong. https://www.eldagsen.com/pseudomnesia/ https://www.eldagsen.com/pseudomnesia/ "Just as photography replaced painting in the reproduction of reality, AI will replace photography. Don’t be afraid of the future. It will just be more obvious that our mind always created the world that makes it suffer."

LegitShady 4y ago
ai and photography do not have the same purposes, so its unlikely AI will replace photography. Photography is used to record the world as it is, AI art creates depictions of what its asked for that have no relation to reality. Rather what people were using photography for in the past may be replaced by AI. Before people went to stock photo sites for cheap images to put on their website or whatever, and tomorrow they'll find out it can be cheaper on midjourney or stable diffusion and it will do that. But AI won't replace photography for what photography does, rather it will replace photography as the cheapest satisfactory image to use on your website that doesn't need a depiction of reality.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  > Photography is used to record the world as it is That's one use of photography. OP is about an art contest, not a photojournalism contest. But as far as "reproduction of reality", obviously AI productions unreality won't replace photography. It might replace reproduction of reality, though.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    > OP is about an art contest, not a photojournalism contest. No, OP is about a photo contest, not an art contest. >World Photography Organization’s Sony World Photography Awards
- eternalban 4y ago
  I read it differently: the artist is saying (per my reading) that we humans have been making 'expressions of reality' first with paint and then with photographs. And now we will be using "AI", and what is good about this is how this latest mechanism of expression is laying bare the actual cause of suffering in human existence: our own minds and imagination.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    photographs didn't destroy paint, because they don't do the same thing. People trying to represent the world as it is use photography (for the most part) and people wanting to express something about the world use paint. AI is even less than that - people who want a computer to make their artistic decisions for them have a neural net author an image or other work for them. generally the humans having no more artistic input than someone who commissions a piece from an artist by explaining what they want. A person painting makes a trillion times more artistic decision making than someone 'painting' with a neural net. They aren't the author of the work, and can't enter it into art competitions on their own behalf (unless the rules are stupid), and can't register it for copyright as there is no human authorship. It is the complete dissolution of human art making - its humans deciding to have a non human thing - that cannot feel emotions or understand the emotions in an image - make 'art' for them. Most because they are incapable of doing it themselves so having something is better than having nothing, some because they do art primarily for money and the neural net works faster than them and they haven't figured out the bit about no copyright yet, or will misrepresent it to illegally get a copyright on an image they didn't author.
    - eternalban 4y ago
      I'm not necessarily in disagreement with the general thrust of your comment. That last point about feelings and emotions however is not clear cut, imo. Typically the process is itertive, so it's a loop and there is a feeling agent in that loop. Also if you yourself make art, you must have noticed how sometimes even the simplest of tools (say a brush or nib) create ~accidental features of the work that one finds entirely pleasing. This happens a lot to me with ink and brush :) The general input is distincly my line, it is my hand w/o a question, but I have a few works which feature engaging aspects that were partly accidental, and part of the delight is precisely that: me, the supposed author, is surprised.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        >Typically the process is itertive, so it's a loop and there is a feeling agent in that loop. Is someone who continually commissions art until they arrive at a painting they like making artistic decisions in the work? I don't think so. >you must have noticed how sometimes even the simplest of tools (say a brush or nib) create ~accidental features of the work that one finds entirely pleasing. This happens a lot to me with ink and brush :) The general input is distincly my line, it is my hand w/o a question, but I have a few works which feature engaging aspects that were partly accidental, and part of the delight is precisely that: me, the supposed author, is surprised. That is unquestionably something you authored, even the mistakes, even the mistakes you liked. But at no point of commissioning artwork are you making artistic decisions.
coldcode 4y ago
Sorry, this image should not have won any prize. The hands are terrible, there are odd things around the back person's nose, and the highlights in the eyes are wrong, there is a reddish blob on the front person's head, and these are especially obvious when you look at it blown up a little. Whoever judged this contest is pretty clueless about the current quality of AI art generation and was easily fooled. I make digital art, not photography, but these jumped out at me. The subject matter is probably what "won" the contest, it's pretty well composed.
- eternalban 4y ago
  I think it may have been obvious to most. I didn't really read up on the story .. https://www.eldagsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/preview_DL01090011.jpg https://www.eldagsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/preview_... .. I was impressed with composition(s) as well.

LegitShady 4y ago

ai and photography do not have the same purposes, so its unlikely AI will replace photography. Photography is used to record the world as it is, AI art creates depictions of what its asked for that have no relation to reality. Rather what people were using photography for in the past may be replaced by AI. Before people went to stock photo sites for cheap images to put on their website or whatever, and tomorrow they'll find out it can be cheaper on midjourney or stable diffusion and it will do that. But AI won't replace photography for what photography does, rather it will replace photography as the cheapest satisfactory image to use on your website that doesn't need a depiction of reality.

hgsgm 4y ago
> Photography is used to record the world as it is That's one use of photography. OP is about an art contest, not a photojournalism contest. But as far as "reproduction of reality", obviously AI productions unreality won't replace photography. It might replace reproduction of reality, though.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  > OP is about an art contest, not a photojournalism contest. No, OP is about a photo contest, not an art contest. >World Photography Organization’s Sony World Photography Awards
eternalban 4y ago
I read it differently: the artist is saying (per my reading) that we humans have been making 'expressions of reality' first with paint and then with photographs. And now we will be using "AI", and what is good about this is how this latest mechanism of expression is laying bare the actual cause of suffering in human existence: our own minds and imagination.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  photographs didn't destroy paint, because they don't do the same thing. People trying to represent the world as it is use photography (for the most part) and people wanting to express something about the world use paint. AI is even less than that - people who want a computer to make their artistic decisions for them have a neural net author an image or other work for them. generally the humans having no more artistic input than someone who commissions a piece from an artist by explaining what they want. A person painting makes a trillion times more artistic decision making than someone 'painting' with a neural net. They aren't the author of the work, and can't enter it into art competitions on their own behalf (unless the rules are stupid), and can't register it for copyright as there is no human authorship. It is the complete dissolution of human art making - its humans deciding to have a non human thing - that cannot feel emotions or understand the emotions in an image - make 'art' for them. Most because they are incapable of doing it themselves so having something is better than having nothing, some because they do art primarily for money and the neural net works faster than them and they haven't figured out the bit about no copyright yet, or will misrepresent it to illegally get a copyright on an image they didn't author.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    I'm not necessarily in disagreement with the general thrust of your comment. That last point about feelings and emotions however is not clear cut, imo. Typically the process is itertive, so it's a loop and there is a feeling agent in that loop. Also if you yourself make art, you must have noticed how sometimes even the simplest of tools (say a brush or nib) create ~accidental features of the work that one finds entirely pleasing. This happens a lot to me with ink and brush :) The general input is distincly my line, it is my hand w/o a question, but I have a few works which feature engaging aspects that were partly accidental, and part of the delight is precisely that: me, the supposed author, is surprised.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      >Typically the process is itertive, so it's a loop and there is a feeling agent in that loop. Is someone who continually commissions art until they arrive at a painting they like making artistic decisions in the work? I don't think so. >you must have noticed how sometimes even the simplest of tools (say a brush or nib) create ~accidental features of the work that one finds entirely pleasing. This happens a lot to me with ink and brush :) The general input is distincly my line, it is my hand w/o a question, but I have a few works which feature engaging aspects that were partly accidental, and part of the delight is precisely that: me, the supposed author, is surprised. That is unquestionably something you authored, even the mistakes, even the mistakes you liked. But at no point of commissioning artwork are you making artistic decisions.

coldcode 4y ago

Sorry, this image should not have won any prize. The hands are terrible, there are odd things around the back person's nose, and the highlights in the eyes are wrong, there is a reddish blob on the front person's head, and these are especially obvious when you look at it blown up a little. Whoever judged this contest is pretty clueless about the current quality of AI art generation and was easily fooled. I make digital art, not photography, but these jumped out at me. The subject matter is probably what "won" the contest, it's pretty well composed.

eternalban 4y ago
I think it may have been obvious to most. I didn't really read up on the story .. https://www.eldagsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/preview_DL01090011.jpg https://www.eldagsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/preview_... .. I was impressed with composition(s) as well.