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I disagree. It's six years after they stopped selling it. Apple do this on purpose to make people buy new machines, it wouldn't be expensive for them too provi

I disagree. It's six years after they stopped selling it. Apple do this on purpose to make people buy new machines, it wouldn't be expensive for them too provide a small amount of support, if they are not willing to do that they shouldn't be making such machines. 6 years is not a long time.

mynameisvlad 4y ago
Windows 11 dropped support for 7th generation and earlier. Your 2015 iMac, having a Broadwell/5th or Skylake/6th generation processor, would have also not been compatible. To have hardware compatibility, you'd have to have gone all the way up to a 2019 iMac with Coffee Lake. That shows that this is hardly an Apple problem, and hardly a problem of "Apple forcing you to buy new hardware". Entire companies come and go in those 8 years. Do you expect every company you ever buy products from to support them forever? That's an absurd ask.
- ChildOfChaos 4y ago
  Yeah, I understand, it's just annoying to me that most of the things we have now in our culture that we rely on are so replaceable and need to be replaced fairly regularly, it feels like it's no longer the case as you get older, you can be more settled in life as you have bought and have all you need, that's not the case because you have to replace it fairly regularly. Also I suppose, i'm sit here using my iMac now and it runs everything without a glitch, as good as when it was new, likely better because of the updates to the software, so it's just disappointing to see that it could go to waste. I usually like to wait until things break before replacing them, so already debating replacing a perfectly functional machine hurts a little. Hopefully I will get a few more years out of it. I guess a big shame is not being able to plug a Mac Mini into the display, but that is on me, I knew that was the case when I bought it. p.s Windows 11 support was the TPM chip? I believe that is relatively easy to get around? Could be wrong here, but I think it was mostly a move from MS to make people update to a highly level of security, but again it's not really needed.
- Sakos 4y ago
  Yes, and it was utter bullshit that Microsoft pulled this and I'm still infuriated that the entire world just shrugged and went "at least Windows 10 still works" or even "well, you can't expect your device to be supported forever". I have 15 year old computers that STILL FUCKING WORK PERFECTLY but they're arbitrarily not supported by W11 anymore. I guess Microsoft never heard of e-waste. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck Apple.
sbuk 4y ago
Here's a thought. Your iMac from 2015 employs an Intel processor. The writing has been on the wall for any Intel based Mac since the introduction of the M series. I was frankly amazed that they supported Monterey on as many models (yours included) as they did. I can foresee only the Mac Pro being supported in macOS 14, with support for Intel disappearing in macOS 15. Edit: PowerPC support was droped after 3 releases - Tiger (10.4) being the first to support Intel, Lion (10.7) dropped support. Granted, that was over a 6 year period. 68K to PowerPC felt quicker...

mynameisvlad 4y ago

Windows 11 dropped support for 7th generation and earlier. Your 2015 iMac, having a Broadwell/5th or Skylake/6th generation processor, would have also not been compatible. To have hardware compatibility, you'd have to have gone all the way up to a 2019 iMac with Coffee Lake. That shows that this is hardly an Apple problem, and hardly a problem of "Apple forcing you to buy new hardware". Entire companies come and go in those 8 years. Do you expect every company you ever buy products from to support them forever? That's an absurd ask.

ChildOfChaos 4y ago
Yeah, I understand, it's just annoying to me that most of the things we have now in our culture that we rely on are so replaceable and need to be replaced fairly regularly, it feels like it's no longer the case as you get older, you can be more settled in life as you have bought and have all you need, that's not the case because you have to replace it fairly regularly. Also I suppose, i'm sit here using my iMac now and it runs everything without a glitch, as good as when it was new, likely better because of the updates to the software, so it's just disappointing to see that it could go to waste. I usually like to wait until things break before replacing them, so already debating replacing a perfectly functional machine hurts a little. Hopefully I will get a few more years out of it. I guess a big shame is not being able to plug a Mac Mini into the display, but that is on me, I knew that was the case when I bought it. p.s Windows 11 support was the TPM chip? I believe that is relatively easy to get around? Could be wrong here, but I think it was mostly a move from MS to make people update to a highly level of security, but again it's not really needed.
Sakos 4y ago
Yes, and it was utter bullshit that Microsoft pulled this and I'm still infuriated that the entire world just shrugged and went "at least Windows 10 still works" or even "well, you can't expect your device to be supported forever". I have 15 year old computers that STILL FUCKING WORK PERFECTLY but they're arbitrarily not supported by W11 anymore. I guess Microsoft never heard of e-waste. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck Apple.

sbuk 4y ago

Here's a thought. Your iMac from 2015 employs an Intel processor. The writing has been on the wall for any Intel based Mac since the introduction of the M series. I was frankly amazed that they supported Monterey on as many models (yours included) as they did. I can foresee only the Mac Pro being supported in macOS 14, with support for Intel disappearing in macOS 15. Edit: PowerPC support was droped after 3 releases - Tiger (10.4) being the first to support Intel, Lion (10.7) dropped support. Granted, that was over a 6 year period. 68K to PowerPC felt quicker...