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> I hand-write HTML and CSS to this day! Yeah but... for your job? I'm sure we all do those side projects, but hard to imagine being able to do that on a compl

by culi 4y ago

> I hand-write HTML and CSS to this day! Yeah but... for your job? I'm sure we all do those side projects, but hard to imagine being able to do that on a complex multiple-member team project

klodolph 4y ago
I think writing a React component using JSX counts as "hand-written" HTML and CSS. Definitely when you're writing the low-level components that other stuff is built on.
apsurd 4y ago
I count writing JSX as hand-written as the child comment mentions. Also HAML in rails. I realize this perhaps is a fuzzy definition as we move along the spectrum of automation and abstraction. What I mean to say is I still have a more-or-less 1:1 relationship with both HTML and CSS APIs to affect user interfaces. Like how do make round corners I need to know `border-radius: 100%`, or `borderRadius: 1rem`, etc (And you're right, in all projects where "I have my way" meaning it's personal or in a small-group, I have the freedom to choose low-level vanilla primitives. Less so at work in large teams where everything is a build pipeline.)
Mezzie 4y ago
Not everybody who's coding is doing it in a tech company on a complex multiple-person team project. I'm a software mechanic: I do really small scale tweaks for small businesses (I mean SMALL - my current project is for a business with one owner and 2 employees), non-profits, libraries, etc. In those use cases, there can be good business reasons to do things this way: Part of my current project is building something where odds are there won't be another tech person around regularly and it needs to last for several years (the information is evergreen). For something I want to run for 8+ years with minimum fuss that doesn't require storing user data and that may need to be ported from LMS to LMS or eCommerce platform to eCommerce platform/won't be broken by updates (because again, no regular dev to maintain it and check compatibility), using basic HTML, CSS, and even vanilla JS can make sense. I can write something in HTML/CSS/vanilla JS and it will probably run in browsers until the heat death of the universe.

by culi 4y ago

> I hand-write HTML and CSS to this day! Yeah but... for your job? I'm sure we all do those side projects, but hard to imagine being able to do that on a complex multiple-member team project

klodolph 4y ago

I think writing a React component using JSX counts as "hand-written" HTML and CSS. Definitely when you're writing the low-level components that other stuff is built on.

apsurd 4y ago

I count writing JSX as hand-written as the child comment mentions. Also HAML in rails. I realize this perhaps is a fuzzy definition as we move along the spectrum of automation and abstraction. What I mean to say is I still have a more-or-less 1:1 relationship with both HTML and CSS APIs to affect user interfaces. Like how do make round corners I need to know `border-radius: 100%`, or `borderRadius: 1rem`, etc (And you're right, in all projects where "I have my way" meaning it's personal or in a small-group, I have the freedom to choose low-level vanilla primitives. Less so at work in large teams where everything is a build pipeline.)

Mezzie 4y ago

Not everybody who's coding is doing it in a tech company on a complex multiple-person team project. I'm a software mechanic: I do really small scale tweaks for small businesses (I mean SMALL - my current project is for a business with one owner and 2 employees), non-profits, libraries, etc. In those use cases, there can be good business reasons to do things this way: Part of my current project is building something where odds are there won't be another tech person around regularly and it needs to last for several years (the information is evergreen). For something I want to run for 8+ years with minimum fuss that doesn't require storing user data and that may need to be ported from LMS to LMS or eCommerce platform to eCommerce platform/won't be broken by updates (because again, no regular dev to maintain it and check compatibility), using basic HTML, CSS, and even vanilla JS can make sense. I can write something in HTML/CSS/vanilla JS and it will probably run in browsers until the heat death of the universe.