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“Hexagons are the bestagons” https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY

by samdcbu 3y ago

Moissanite 3y ago
Better than all the restagons.
- kazinator 3y ago
  I feel this is cheap because we can combine any word with an "agons" suffix to get a rhyme. Low substance commentagons ---Dang! You're shadowbanagons Pretty soon completely gones
  - ksenzee 3y ago
    No, it only works for words that sound vaguely like "hex". You need the short e sound and preferably a consonant cluster with an s in it.
    - kazinator 3y ago
      While that extended pattern is nice, rhyme doesn't require three syllables. Don't forget that "cat" rhymes with "hat" just fine.
      - redsaz 3y ago
        It's not the syllable count that matters, it's that anytime you have words with common endings, or words with unnecessarily added endings (like we're doing here), the root words need to rhyme as well as the endings. Example: -er words. You can rhyme "teacher" with "reacher", but not with "plumber", even though all three have the same endings, technically. Why that is, I do not know.
        ksenzee 3y ago
        It has to do with which syllable is stressed. The last stressed syllable in the word (or in the line of poetry), and everything after it, has to be the same. So the "-eacher" in "teacher" and "reacher" are identical, and it's a good rhyme. To rhyme with "hex", the word has to end in "-ex." You can fudge the consonants after the stressed vowel just a bit, and get something that's not quite a rhyme, but good enough for, say, a HN comment. But you can't fudge the stressed vowel at all.
        kazinator 3y ago
        > But you can't fudge the stressed vowel at all. Sure you can; e.g. you can get away with matching "teacher" with "catcher". My good old sixth grade teacher Though not always eye to eye Introduced me to the Catcher You know, In The Rye
        ksenzee 3y ago
        What I was describing (where the last stressed vowel matches but the rest doesn't all match) is called assonance. This isn't even assonance, much less a rhyme. If you have a source describing this kind of not-a-rhyme from any period of English versification, I'd be interested to see it.
        kazinator 3y ago
        But in your examples, the last stressed vowel and the unstressed one, both match: reacher, teacher. Therefore I don't follow your comment. There is a kind of assonance (or whatever) in English where the stressed one can differ. The juxtaposition of such words or endings can sound good. For instance "pitter-patter". This can be exploited to create a near rhyme, like my teacher and catcher verse. Moreover, if it is the unstressed one that doesn't match, that is no longer the case. We cannot rhyme "teacher" with "teapot" as line endings. The Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_and_imperfect_rhymes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_and_imperfect_rhymes states the same conditions you have given for perfect rhyme: stressed vowel and following unstressed, if any, are a match. Then it goes into the exceptions.
  - avestura 3y ago
    I think you missed the actual rhyme: "rest" and "best".
    - TomK32 3y ago
      the sun settles onto westagons.

“Hexagons are the bestagons” https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY https://youtu.be/thOifuHs6eY

Moissanite 3y ago

Better than all the restagons.

kazinator 3y ago
I feel this is cheap because we can combine any word with an "agons" suffix to get a rhyme. Low substance commentagons ---Dang! You're shadowbanagons Pretty soon completely gones
- ksenzee 3y ago
  No, it only works for words that sound vaguely like "hex". You need the short e sound and preferably a consonant cluster with an s in it.
  - kazinator 3y ago
    While that extended pattern is nice, rhyme doesn't require three syllables. Don't forget that "cat" rhymes with "hat" just fine.
    - redsaz 3y ago
      It's not the syllable count that matters, it's that anytime you have words with common endings, or words with unnecessarily added endings (like we're doing here), the root words need to rhyme as well as the endings. Example: -er words. You can rhyme "teacher" with "reacher", but not with "plumber", even though all three have the same endings, technically. Why that is, I do not know.
      - ksenzee 3y ago
        It has to do with which syllable is stressed. The last stressed syllable in the word (or in the line of poetry), and everything after it, has to be the same. So the "-eacher" in "teacher" and "reacher" are identical, and it's a good rhyme. To rhyme with "hex", the word has to end in "-ex." You can fudge the consonants after the stressed vowel just a bit, and get something that's not quite a rhyme, but good enough for, say, a HN comment. But you can't fudge the stressed vowel at all.
        kazinator 3y ago
        > But you can't fudge the stressed vowel at all. Sure you can; e.g. you can get away with matching "teacher" with "catcher". My good old sixth grade teacher Though not always eye to eye Introduced me to the Catcher You know, In The Rye
        ksenzee 3y ago
        What I was describing (where the last stressed vowel matches but the rest doesn't all match) is called assonance. This isn't even assonance, much less a rhyme. If you have a source describing this kind of not-a-rhyme from any period of English versification, I'd be interested to see it.
        kazinator 3y ago
        But in your examples, the last stressed vowel and the unstressed one, both match: reacher, teacher. Therefore I don't follow your comment. There is a kind of assonance (or whatever) in English where the stressed one can differ. The juxtaposition of such words or endings can sound good. For instance "pitter-patter". This can be exploited to create a near rhyme, like my teacher and catcher verse. Moreover, if it is the unstressed one that doesn't match, that is no longer the case. We cannot rhyme "teacher" with "teapot" as line endings. The Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_and_imperfect_rhymes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_and_imperfect_rhymes states the same conditions you have given for perfect rhyme: stressed vowel and following unstressed, if any, are a match. Then it goes into the exceptions.
- avestura 3y ago
  I think you missed the actual rhyme: "rest" and "best".
  - TomK32 3y ago
    the sun settles onto westagons.