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It's humorous how incompetent US intelligence is that they give this access to a 21 year old, don't notice any data exfiltration by someone with presumably 0 te

It's humorous how incompetent US intelligence is that they give this access to a 21 year old, don't notice any data exfiltration by someone with presumably 0 technical skills, and take (weeks?) to catch the guy only after the leaks are made incredibly public.

pibechorro 4y ago
Incompetence or happy to let it happen.
dehrmann 4y ago
21-year-old males are notoriously immature. Cue a college party montage. There's a reason they pay more for car insurance until they're 25. Something about the prefrontal cortex. I believe Chelsea Manning was 23 when she leaked intel? I'd actually argue this is why the military wants recruits in the sweet spot when they're legally adults, but haven't fully developed their decision making. You just don't give them sensitive intel. You give them a gun and a CO.
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  >Something about the prefrontal cortex. It's worth pointing out that this is an artefact of nurture, not nature. Stunting of the development of the prefrontal cortex is worsening each decade. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-t...
blown_gasket 4y ago
Age is not a determination for what level of access someone is given. It's not technically difficult to take a picture with a smartphone even given that smartphones are not allowed in SECRET and TOP SECRET areas. Multi-function devices (ex: printer/scanner/fax combo) still exist. What is humorous is the vast amount of comments surrounding this event on HN that have no idea how security clearances, compartmentalization of information, federal and military law work.
- emptysea 4y ago
  Presumably you could alert on someone printing 300 secret documents Seems like even allowing for printing is a bad idea I wonder how big tech compare in their security posture for insider leaks Edit: the other thing is he took home the docs and photographed them on his kitchen table. So not only was he able to print them undetected but he was able to leave the base with them
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  - blown_gasket 4y ago
    Could you alert on something like that? If the MFD is on the network, sure. How fast would you want the response? Someone to constantly be checking an email mailbox? Ok, that could be setup for a 24/7 rotation. An alert to a smartphone like we do in industry for those on-call? Not as simple as sending an alert to a civilian smartphone and an O365 hosted mailbox.
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    >Seems like even allowing for printing is a bad idea It is very easy to make things very secure, but then it would also be impossible to do work. Everything's a trade-off.

pibechorro 4y ago

Incompetence or happy to let it happen.

dehrmann 4y ago

21-year-old males are notoriously immature. Cue a college party montage. There's a reason they pay more for car insurance until they're 25. Something about the prefrontal cortex. I believe Chelsea Manning was 23 when she leaked intel? I'd actually argue this is why the military wants recruits in the sweet spot when they're legally adults, but haven't fully developed their decision making. You just don't give them sensitive intel. You give them a gun and a CO.

antibasilisk 4y ago
>Something about the prefrontal cortex. It's worth pointing out that this is an artefact of nurture, not nature. Stunting of the development of the prefrontal cortex is worsening each decade. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-t...

blown_gasket 4y ago

Age is not a determination for what level of access someone is given. It's not technically difficult to take a picture with a smartphone even given that smartphones are not allowed in SECRET and TOP SECRET areas. Multi-function devices (ex: printer/scanner/fax combo) still exist. What is humorous is the vast amount of comments surrounding this event on HN that have no idea how security clearances, compartmentalization of information, federal and military law work.

emptysea 4y ago
Presumably you could alert on someone printing 300 secret documents Seems like even allowing for printing is a bad idea I wonder how big tech compare in their security posture for insider leaks Edit: the other thing is he took home the docs and photographed them on his kitchen table. So not only was he able to print them undetected but he was able to leave the base with them
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- blown_gasket 4y ago
  Could you alert on something like that? If the MFD is on the network, sure. How fast would you want the response? Someone to constantly be checking an email mailbox? Ok, that could be setup for a 24/7 rotation. An alert to a smartphone like we do in industry for those on-call? Not as simple as sending an alert to a civilian smartphone and an O365 hosted mailbox.
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  >Seems like even allowing for printing is a bad idea It is very easy to make things very secure, but then it would also be impossible to do work. Everything's a trade-off.