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I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBills%2F2023R%2FPublic%2FSB396.pdf https://www.

by vhold 3y ago

I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBills%2F2023R%2FPublic%2FSB396.pdf https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil... Reasonable age verification methods under subdivision (c)(1) of this section include providing: (A) A digitized identification card, including a digital copy of a driver's license under § 27-16-601 et seq.; (B) Government-issued identification; or (C) Any commercially reasonable age verification method. "Digitized identification card" means a data file available on a mobile device that has connectivity to the internet through a state approved application that allows the mobile device to download the data file from the Office of Driver Services that contains all of the data elements visible on the face and back of a driver's license or identification card and displays the current status of the driver's license or identification card, including valid, expired, cancelled, suspended, revoked, active, or inactive;

Strom 3y ago
> Any commercially reasonable age verification method. Is being born in 1900-01-01 still reasonable? The linked document remains extremely vague about what is reasonable.
2h 3y ago
> Reasonable No definition of that word matches their usage of it. Your papers, please. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please
nverno 3y ago
Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.
- atkailash 3y ago
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- ruune 3y ago
  Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses
  - nverno 3y ago
    A lot of people do get those currently, just ID cards for non-drivers, also issued through the DMV. Adults need them for various things like voting, food stamps, etc. But I've never heard of a child needing an ID card (aside from travelling abroad), although they could probably (?) get one if they needed - maybe they don't issue them to people under 18 cause there hasn't been any need
    - skydhash 3y ago
      In Haiti, you can only get an ID card when you become an adult at 18. Anything that requires identification would need your birth certificate and the presence of your parents as you can’t be bound legally otherwise.
    - ruune 3y ago
      Apparently you can also get those under 18. It just feels like a band aid fix, but it's probably good enough, so better spend the millions another ID would cost on actual problems
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      I’m fairly certain every state issues (non-DL) state ID at any age people want to apply for it (some, but not all, states require parental approval), but people rarely need them except as adults are maybe late teens (a working teen non-driver may need one.) ISTR that like DLs, state IDs are a net revenue source, so bills that require more people to get them in practice are, in net effect, tax bills (and because they are closer to capitations than even a flat tax, are regressive tax bills.)
A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
Yeah. A lot would depend on implementation, but it would concern me -- likely worst case being hack to access all SOS DL info..
vhold 3y ago
In particular I would like people to consider the implications of "state approved application"
politician 3y ago
It’s ludicrous that proof of ability to operate a motor vehicle is positioned as a prerequisite for using the Internet—- more so given the myriad of ways that a license can be suspended.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Where did you get that it has to be a driver's license? Just get a regular ID card if you don't need to be able to drive.
  - politician 3y ago
    Two of the three options are driving licenses. It’s obnoxious that the third option is administered through the DMV. I’ve never understood why personal identification falls under that department. An affidavit with a notary’s seal should have been sufficient. So, yes, you’re technically correct, but no, no one is bringing their kids to the DMV for photo ids and not driver’s licenses.
    - mcculley 3y ago
      There is a whole process for it in many states that I know of (e.g., https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/drivers/id/child_id.html https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/drivers/id/child_id.html).
    - jjeaff 3y ago
      At least in the case of this law, your kids don't need an ID. They can't use the social media until adulthood.
rvz 3y ago
Yes. YouTube already does this KYC verification with age restricted content. Not a big surprise reveal here. Meta will probably follow suit with Meta Verified as well for both Facebook and Instagram.
__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
> connectivity to the internet through a state approved application I'm not sure how that will come together, but I hope that circumventing it causes the kids to learn something useful.

by vhold 3y ago

Strom 3y ago

> Any commercially reasonable age verification method. Is being born in 1900-01-01 still reasonable? The linked document remains extremely vague about what is reasonable.

2h 3y ago

> Reasonable No definition of that word matches their usage of it. Your papers, please. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_papers,_please

nverno 3y ago

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

atkailash 3y ago
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ruune 3y ago
Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses
- nverno 3y ago
  A lot of people do get those currently, just ID cards for non-drivers, also issued through the DMV. Adults need them for various things like voting, food stamps, etc. But I've never heard of a child needing an ID card (aside from travelling abroad), although they could probably (?) get one if they needed - maybe they don't issue them to people under 18 cause there hasn't been any need
  - skydhash 3y ago
    In Haiti, you can only get an ID card when you become an adult at 18. Anything that requires identification would need your birth certificate and the presence of your parents as you can’t be bound legally otherwise.
  - ruune 3y ago
    Apparently you can also get those under 18. It just feels like a band aid fix, but it's probably good enough, so better spend the millions another ID would cost on actual problems
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    I’m fairly certain every state issues (non-DL) state ID at any age people want to apply for it (some, but not all, states require parental approval), but people rarely need them except as adults are maybe late teens (a working teen non-driver may need one.) ISTR that like DLs, state IDs are a net revenue source, so bills that require more people to get them in practice are, in net effect, tax bills (and because they are closer to capitations than even a flat tax, are regressive tax bills.)

A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago

Yeah. A lot would depend on implementation, but it would concern me -- likely worst case being hack to access all SOS DL info..

vhold 3y ago

In particular I would like people to consider the implications of "state approved application"

politician 3y ago

It’s ludicrous that proof of ability to operate a motor vehicle is positioned as a prerequisite for using the Internet—- more so given the myriad of ways that a license can be suspended.

rootusrootus 3y ago
Where did you get that it has to be a driver's license? Just get a regular ID card if you don't need to be able to drive.
- politician 3y ago
  Two of the three options are driving licenses. It’s obnoxious that the third option is administered through the DMV. I’ve never understood why personal identification falls under that department. An affidavit with a notary’s seal should have been sufficient. So, yes, you’re technically correct, but no, no one is bringing their kids to the DMV for photo ids and not driver’s licenses.
  - mcculley 3y ago
    There is a whole process for it in many states that I know of (e.g., https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/drivers/id/child_id.html https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/drivers/id/child_id.html).
  - jjeaff 3y ago
    At least in the case of this law, your kids don't need an ID. They can't use the social media until adulthood.

rvz 3y ago

Yes. YouTube already does this KYC verification with age restricted content. Not a big surprise reveal here. Meta will probably follow suit with Meta Verified as well for both Facebook and Instagram.

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

> connectivity to the internet through a state approved application I'm not sure how that will come together, but I hope that circumventing it causes the kids to learn something useful.